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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2023 22:16:40 GMT
You are one of the ones trying to make the claim that you speak for a majority no one notices because they choose to remain silent. Have you any evidence to back up such a claim? Because most people with any opinionated axe to grind in this country are rarely backwards in coming forwards, as this forum demonstrates. So any silence from an imagined majority is likely to be due to exactly that. They are mostly imagined. By those who are desperate to believe that in speaking for themselves they have the support of the people. Though the evidence for that is of course negligible. The evidence is in how people voted over the last 60 years and even more recently. What you want to do is pretend that strictly controlled immigration was never in any manifesto yet the 'silent majority' who are effectively the electorate have made it crystal clear what they want time and time again, all parties pay lip service in a manifesto but it is clear it is there. Forgive me if I believe the democratic vote of the people is somehow important in assessing what they want. If we had real democracy you might have had a point. But our current voting system encourages people to vote for syphilis to keep gonorrhoea out because a vote for penicillin is guaranteed to be wasted. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 4, 2023 22:16:46 GMT
I don't think it's fundamentally any more difficult than it is for a UK citizen to bring a foreign spouse/partner into the UK. It's the presumption that any such union involving a UK citizen and a non-citizen must automatically result in residence in the UK that seems to me to be a little bit wacky. Yes if they chose our Liverpool lad and his spanish wife could live in Madrid if they wish. You are right it is a matter of judgement whether a Liverpool lad should be able to live with his Spanish Wife in Liverpool. I think of course he should I think even Bentley thinks of course he should and is finding it hard to believe that the Government is trying to stop this You seem to agree with the Government that they shouldn't. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 4, 2023 22:21:03 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 4, 2023 22:26:03 GMT
And as for young people. Well unless you earn in top 20% for under 35s, whatever you do best not to travel abroad or at least if you do not to talk to anyone who is a bit foreign. Because if you do and if you fall in love and eventually want to marry, we’ll forget it, we don’t want you and your dirty foreign husband or wife here. You’ll have to break up or go live abroad. Reduced quality of life for young people traded for a headline in the Mail. that is not the policy |
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Post by dappy on Dec 4, 2023 22:27:51 GMT
Yes it is
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Post by Bentley on Dec 4, 2023 22:28:22 GMT
I don't think it's fundamentally any more difficult than it is for a UK citizen to bring a foreign spouse/partner into the UK. It's the presumption that any such union involving a UK citizen and a non-citizen must automatically result in residence in the UK that seems to me to be a little bit wacky. Your first sentence doesn't seem to make much sense. You are right it is a matter of judgement whether a Liverpool lad should be able to live with his Spanish Wife in Liverpool. I think of course he should I think even Bentley thinks of course he should and is finding it hard to believe that the Government is trying to stop this You seem to agree with the Government that they shouldn't. Nope. I merely wanted you to support your claim . You provided a quote from the lefties version of the Daily Mail. If this is true then maybe the British born scouser is paying for newly appointed low paid British citizen bringing in their wife ,six kids et all.. I’m sure that in general the government have nothing against Spanish spouses . There is also the question of just how easy it is for the English spouse to enter Spain . The poor scouser is no more if a victim of excess immigration than the low wage earners who compete with imported foreign labour . |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 4, 2023 22:30:27 GMT
I think he has a good point . How easy is it for an English spouse of a Spaniard to enter Spain? |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 4, 2023 22:31:38 GMT
You posted an article from the Guardian . |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 4, 2023 22:35:23 GMT
My first sentence was in response to the question whether it is more difficult for an EU national to bring a foreign national spouse/partner into Spain than it would be for a UK citizen to bring in a non-UK national. My answer was that I thought not, so it's unclear why you thought that didn't make any sense. It still seems perfectly straightforward to me.
As for the Liverpool lad and his Spanish betrothed, of course they should be allowed to settle wherever they wish but that wasn't the point I was making.
It was rather the presumption on the part of many liberals including your goodself that any such unions must be concluded in the UK even if it might make more sense all round for them to be concluded elsewhere.
Must, for example, Thai or Filipina mail order brides be settled in the UK with their dearly beloved or might it make more sense for all concerned for them to conjugally reunited back in their own homelands. I know you have a strong interest in this question given earlier disclosures that your own offspring are actively engaged in what we might call extra-curricular relationships with persons of non-British heritage.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2023 22:37:55 GMT
Sit back and watch the staffing crisis get worse in Care and the NHS
The government are going to restrict who can come with their husband or wife to work in these sectors, but its not a problem in Ireland, Germany or France, they are welcome to come.
Its basically very simple, our loss will be other countries gain - skilled and experienced people will just go elsewhere, more complete nuts ideas from a tired, washed out government which has run out of steam.
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Post by dappy on Dec 4, 2023 22:39:38 GMT
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Post by dappy on Dec 4, 2023 22:43:58 GMT
My first sentence was in response to the question whether it is more difficult for an EU national to bring a foreign national spouse/partner into Spain than it would be for a UK citizen to bring in a non-UK national. My answer was that I thought not, so it's unclear why you thought that didn't make any sense. It still seems perfectly straightforward to me. As for the Liverpool lad and his Spanish betrothed, of course they should be allowed to settle wherever they wish but that wasn't the point I was making. It was rather the presumption on the part of many liberals including your goodself that any such unions must be concluded in the UK even if it might make more sense all round for them to be concluded elsewhere. Must, for example, Thai or Filipina mail order brides be settled in the UK with their dearly beloved or might it make more sense for all concerned for them to conjugally reunited back in their own homelands. I know you have a strong interest in this question given earlier disclosures that your own offspring are actively engaged in what we might call extra-curricular relationships with persons of non-British heritage. It got a bit confused with posts being made while you were posting yours. Forum fault. I am glad you think the Liverpool lad and his spanish wife should be allowed to settle wherever they wish (well at least in the UK or Spain anyway). I assume you therefore agree that the UK government's policy to prevent them living in the UK is shameful. I make no judgement, as you suggest, on whether this couple should live in the UK or Spain. That should be their choice to make. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 4, 2023 22:44:21 GMT
Sit back and watch the staffing crisis get worse in Care and the NHS The government are going to restrict who can come with their husband or wife to work in these sectors, but its not a problem in Ireland, Germany or France, they are welcome to come. Its basically very simple, our loss will be other countries gain - skilled and experienced people will just go elsewhere, more complete nuts ideas from a tired, washed out government which has run out of steam. Skilled and experienced English speaking care workers that work cheap are lining up to care for our elderly ? lol |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 4, 2023 22:45:53 GMT
As you used Spain as an example then Spanish immigration policy is relevant |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 4, 2023 22:47:10 GMT
Breaking news. Jokesy quotes the Daily Mail again, thereby ensuring that he is only ever preaching to the converted. C'est la vie. So you have conceeded again then...Well done. |
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