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Post by happyhornet on Dec 1, 2023 12:49:13 GMT
My apologies, I appear to have misrepresented you, I cheerfully withdraw my comment. Now, could you please follow suite or provide a quote of mine where I've said doing something about white people? Orac Earlier, HH wrote - "Education is the only viable long term solution" Who were you proposing to re-educate? Black people? You .I would suggest everyone would benefit from being taught about the harm irrational hatred can and has done. Wouldn't you? Can you point out anywhere in there the words "doing something about white people"? |
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Post by om15 on Dec 1, 2023 12:49:43 GMT
I think that the pro immigration supporters are being rather disingenuous here, they claim that health care, farming and factories will grind to a halt, there is some merit in that, I think most right thinking people have no real objection for immigrants to come here and work in our society, pay taxes and integrate. The problem that we see and the lefties refuse to see is that many come here, involve themselves in criminal activities, or seal themselves in aggressive ghettos, or claim benefits in four star hotels, that is our concern.
The sight of hordes of anti Israel demonstrators dressed like terrorists clambering like chimpanzees over our war memorials has been a good thing, it has demonstrated just how far the various Governments of the past couple of decades have allowed this country to decline, what I don't understand is why they have encouraged it, what is the end game? it can't just be establishment incompetence surely, although to see the Home Office officials this week it is easy to believe so.
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 1, 2023 12:54:58 GMT
I think that the pro immigration supporters are being rather disingenuous here, they claim that health care, farming and factories will grind to a halt, there is some merit in that, I think most right thinking people have no real objection for immigrants to come here and work in our society, pay taxes and integrate. The problem that we see and the lefties refuse to see is that many come here, involve themselves in criminal activities, or seal themselves in aggressive ghettos, or claim benefits in four star hotels, that is our concern. The sight of hordes of anti Israel demonstrators dressed like terrorists clambering like chimpanzees over our war memorials has been a good thing, it has demonstrated just how far the various Governments of the past couple of decades have allowed this country to decline, what I don't understand is why they have encouraged it, what is the end game? it can't just be establishment incompetence surely, although to see the Home Office officials this week it is easy to believe so. I fully acknowledge that there is a troubling lack of integration from some immigrants. For me that is half the problem, the other half is some indegenous British people refusing to accept immigrants or people of immigrant extraction as equals no matter how well integrated they are. I for one, at 47 years of age, am mightily sick of having to defend my right to live in my own country. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 1, 2023 12:55:44 GMT
Your proposal was 'education'.
We can step over a few hurdles here by being plain.
My (our) contention is quite simple - that, if you were to expand on that proposal significantly, it would boil down to correcting the behavior of white people.
I'm actually trying to do you a favour. I'm trying to highlight why what your attempting will fail - it is in the very framework you are operating from. Nobody is going accept such lopsided 'lessons'
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 1, 2023 12:57:43 GMT
Your proposal was 'education'. We can step over a few hurdles here by being plain. My (our) contention is quite simple - that, if you were to expand on that proposal significantly, it would boil down to correcting the behavior of white people. So it's an assumption on your part, not something I have said, agreed? |
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Post by Orac on Dec 1, 2023 13:01:10 GMT
Your proposal was 'education'. We can step over a few hurdles here by being plain. My (our) contention is quite simple - that, if you were to expand on that proposal significantly, it would boil down to correcting the behavior of white people. So it's an assumption on your part, not something I have said, agreed? It remains open. Nothing you have said contradicts it as the reality.. |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 1, 2023 13:03:43 GMT
So it's an assumption on your part, not something I have said, agreed? It remains open. Nothing you have said contradicts it as the reality.. So in other words I haven't said it. The reason being because that's not what I think or advocate. In fact I specifically said that I believe that everyone would benefit from learning about the harm that can and has been done by irrational hatred. Note the use of the word "everyone" and not "doing something about white people". |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 1, 2023 13:09:47 GMT
Orac Earlier, HH wrote - "Education is the only viable long term solution" Who were you proposing to re-educate? Black people? You .I would suggest everyone would benefit from being taught about the harm irrational hatred can and has done. Wouldn't you? Can you point out anywhere in there the words "doing something about white people"? Disingenuousness again. Unless you are going to claim that the people that would benefit from being taught in school about the harm irrational hatred can and has done should be aimed at black people . You was asked . |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 1, 2023 13:11:44 GMT
Well in that I largely agree, information is king, although I, and you, did say needs and feelings. To expand then you accept that information and logic should be the guide to decision making. We are back to employers his information is contained in a CV and he has to make decisions based on that CV and all other information that is available to him. You may not like some of that information he has, you may think it wrong but it is the information he has and his decision to make and one of the pieces of information he has is a name and he can process that along with other information he has, that may be true, that may be erroneous, but it is his information and he then bases his decision on the logic that follows. Prejudice is still prejudice regardless of how the perpetrator justifies it to themselves. No it is information, black people respond badly to police because of information. What you are saying is that you want to be the arbiter of what information is right to consider and what is wrong. It does not work like that. We all have our own totals of information. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 1, 2023 13:12:13 GMT
It remains open. Nothing you have said contradicts it as the reality.. So in other words I haven't said it. I didn't say you said it, I said every proposal you made would boil down to that. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 1, 2023 13:15:15 GMT
So in other words I haven't said it. I didn't say you said it, I said every proposal you made would boil down to that. In your opinion that is, by the way have we sorted out the difference between legal and illegal immigration, from what I gather HH is from legal immigration stock, which I cannot see a problem with. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 1, 2023 13:18:08 GMT
If we could stop trying to blame we might actually discuss how to deal with the issue.
As I see it as almost impossible in any moral or legal way to send back those we have given homes here. So park that.
Can we stop more coming.
A: Illegal, well we're trying badly, but they only represent a small percentage of the annual amount.
B: Legal. And that's the long conversation.
Theoretically if we stop immigration:
Some lower paid jobs will disappear as peoples move up to essential jobs that are forced to pay more.
We will have to pay more for those services, either through taxation of private costs.
House prices will start to fall as the elderly die and the population shrinks
How much of this will actually happen that way?
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Post by Orac on Dec 1, 2023 13:20:51 GMT
I didn't say you said it, I said every proposal you made would boil down to that. In your opinion that is, Of course it's my opinion. It's like a conversational challenge for him to contradict me and a prompt to others to spot the pattern. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 1, 2023 13:25:03 GMT
If we could stop trying to blame we might actually discuss how to deal with the issue. As I see it as almost impossible in any moral or legal way to send back those we have given homes here. So park that. Can we stop more coming. A: Illegal, well we're trying badly, but they only represent a small percentage of the annual amount. B: Legal. And that's the long conversation. Theoretically if we stop immigration: Some lower paid jobs will disappear as peoples move up to essential jobs that are forced to pay more. We will have to pay more for those services, either through taxation of private costs. House prices will start to fall as the elderly die and the population shrinks How much of this will actually happen that way? Which is ironic because you have blamed just about everyone that voted for any recent government’ …..’we’. TBH Ive haven’t seen any demand to send back those that we have given homes here ( with the possible exception of ones that illegally entered the UK ). |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 1, 2023 13:39:30 GMT
Can you point out anywhere in there the words "doing something about white people"? Disingenuousness again. Unless you are going to claim that the people that would benefit from being taught in school about the harm irrational hatred can and has done should be aimed at black people . You was asked . So nowhere did I say something should be done about white people and then you accuse me of being disengenuous. Incredible. |
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