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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 11:27:36 GMT
I have not said that you need to address that to Dan. All I have said is that there is a better method that eternal migration that teh wit of man is perfectly capable of organising effectively. Immigration is a serious issue that needs to be addressed, it is also a complex issue and I'm always wary of people selling simple solutions to complex problems. I'm more weary of people who try and complicate everything to avoid every solution. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 27, 2023 11:28:02 GMT
Is it good for the tax payer if it means elderly people being left without care or families struggling because someone has to give up work to care for elderly realtives or businesses close down? It often seems to me that people who say we should stop immigration to look after our own seem remarkably callous about suffering inflicted on our own. The lefty councils are given a 'healthy budget' for care, the fact that elderly are being left with inadequate care is down to the council who are mismanaging funds.
Here's a prime example
Labour-run Birmingham City Council is under fire after £11M probe over eye-watering payments made to taxi firm charging more than £200 a day to take a child three miles to school and back
Is it any wonder they are going bust and can't cover the cost of care for the elderly, you need to blame the incompetence or fraud of the Labour run councils for 'remarkably callous suffering they inflicting on our elderly'.
EXCLUSIVE: Birmingham Council accused of overpaying taxi firms by £14m
Green Destinations charged £11m more than rivals for comparable levels of work
Do you have information on Birmingham City Council home to school transport
Are you aware that Conservative run councils have also gone bust? Blaming the left or right wing boogeyman is another overly simplistic take for me. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 27, 2023 11:29:17 GMT
The lefty councils are given a 'healthy budget' for care, the fact that elderly are being left with inadequate care is down to the council who are mismanaging funds.
Here's a prime example
Labour-run Birmingham City Council is under fire after £11M probe over eye-watering payments made to taxi firm charging more than £200 a day to take a child three miles to school and back
Is it any wonder they are going bust and can't cover the cost of care for the elderly, you need to blame the incompetence or fraud of the Labour run councils for 'remarkably callous suffering they inflicting on our elderly'.
EXCLUSIVE: Birmingham Council accused of overpaying taxi firms by £14m
Green Destinations charged £11m more than rivals for comparable levels of work
Are you aware that Conservative run councils have also gone bust? So I take it that's a no comment from you on the one I mentioned, fair enough. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 27, 2023 11:30:53 GMT
Are you aware that Conservative run councils have also gone bust? So I take it that's a no comment from you on the one I mentioned, fair enough. No, I'm making the point that the left wing boogeyman isn't to blame for the issue, it's much more complex than that. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 27, 2023 11:33:14 GMT
One of the jobs that HCAs do when they work in the wards is to clear up , piss, shit , puke , blood and wipe bottoms . The resident lefties were quite keen for NHS workers to have a substantial wage rise yet seem to be reluctant for care workers to recurve the same . They would rather import cheap foreign labour from abroad. I wonder why ? I'm all for giving care workers a pay rise, the question is who is going to pay for it? Probably the same people who are going to support all these minimum wage workers you want to import. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 27, 2023 11:33:49 GMT
I'd say b) is the preferred option. It would have the advantage of sending the message that people should take more responsibility for the care of their elderly relatives and not seek to foist the burden on society at large. The countries where most foreign care workers originate operate on such a basis already. It may mean foregoing one foreign holiday a year, or running a less expensive car, removing children from private school or even one spouse giving up his or her job. In other words a return to saner times when people looked after themselves and their own as a first priority over and above material goods. Dan Generally putting a relative in a care home costs around £50k per year. It is also incredibly emotional for all parties to do. Its not something in the real world anyone does lightly. You are entitled to your view to prioritise reducing immigration over providing care to old people and trying to pass that burden back to families. I am sure personally that is the biggest priority at the moment. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 27, 2023 11:37:31 GMT
So I take it that's a no comment from you on the one I mentioned, fair enough. No, I'm making the point that the left wing boogeyman isn't to blame for the issue, it's much more complex than that. ...... go on then I'm all ears, like Lineker. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 27, 2023 11:38:22 GMT
I have 'lived experience' of what you speak dappy. When my father lost his sight my brothers and I agreed that he would not go into care and he moved into the family home of one of us, with all of us contributing financially. That remained the situation until he passed away. Sacrifices were certainly made but we managed.
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Post by dappy on Nov 27, 2023 11:41:49 GMT
Many people do sadly Dan.
While it is appropriate and possible for some families to cope with some elderly people in need of support, that is not possible for all due to either family circumstances or the elderly persons needs. I suspect few if any families and people make the decision to move to a residential home (costing upwards of £50k per year) lightly.
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 27, 2023 11:46:16 GMT
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Post by sandypine on Nov 27, 2023 14:02:52 GMT
I have not said that you need to address that to Dan. All I have said is that there is a better method that eternal migration that teh wit of man is perfectly capable of organising effectively. Immigration is a serious issue that needs to be addressed, it is also a complex issue and I'm always wary of people selling simple solutions to complex problems. Of course it is serious but it is not complex, the solutions are easily found but like all solutions they have different consequences. What is clear that maintaining growth through mass immigration is a winner for some aspects of the economy but a distinct loser for environment and society. If we wish to protect the environment and society then immigration has to be controlled very strictly, something we have been promised democratically for years and voted for democratically for years. We need delivery or is it deliverance. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 27, 2023 14:12:31 GMT
If maintaining growth (in GDP, presumably) is the most important criterion then surely the optimal result will come from an open borders situation where as many foreigners who are able to make the journey are freely admitted.
Even if most of them are unemployable the interest on the loans that the government will need to take out for their care and sustenance will be treated as government expenditure and counted as part of GDP.
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Post by sandypine on Nov 27, 2023 14:17:22 GMT
If maintaining growth (in GDP, presumably) is the most important criterion then surely the optimal result will come from an open borders situation where as many foreigners who are able to make the journey are freely admitted. Even if most of them are unemployable the interest on the loans that the government will need to take out for their care and sustenance will be treated as government expenditure and counted as part of GDP. I think we are almost there are we not? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 27, 2023 14:27:46 GMT
Not quite.
Even the shiny new post-Brexit Australian-style points-based system only entitles 600 million in the 'developing world' to seek work in the UK, according to Migration Watch.
There's another several billion effectively excluded by the racially discriminatory qualifications and earnings criteria which are an ongoing feature of the 'system'. Only when those are done away with will we have truly open borders.
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Post by sandypine on Nov 27, 2023 14:29:17 GMT
Not quite. Even the shiny new post-Brexit Australian-style points-based system only entitles 600 million in the 'developing world' to seek work in the UK, according to Migration Watch. There's another several billion effectively excluded by the racially discriminatory qualifications and earnings criteria which are an ongoing feature of the 'system'. Only when those are done away with will we have truly open borders. Oh well next week then. |
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