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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2022 5:45:39 GMT
That is not what the article says. It talks about nurses one minute, then switches to talk about the "work force". They are obviously talking about Health Care Assistants, clerks, porters (lower grade staff). Use your brain, Where the fuck can somebody earn £34k (plus overtime & shift allowances) in retail? lol. You would have to work 80 hours a week to earn a nurses wage in retail / pub / restaurant lol. Like I said previously, they are primarily leaving because the job is shit because of the spiraling staffing shortages. Of course they think they should be paid more, who doesn't? Read it how you want but it is pretty plain to see. "Record numbers of nurses are quitting the NHS in England, with overwhelmed staff ditching hospital roles for better-paid retail gigs. More than 40,000 have left the health service in the past year – nearly a tenth of the workforce, official data suggests. Many leavers were highly skilled and knowledgeable with years more work left. They were quitting in pursuit of a better work-life balance, analysts said". Are nurses not staff or part of the workforce or are you defining work roles.  |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2022 8:18:38 GMT
Link “ Currently, a newly-qualified nurse earns around £25,000, while the average nurse in the UK earns £33,000”
You won’t get that filling shelves in Tescos .
It’s the HCAs that do the dirty work in the NHS . They are the ones who wipe the arses and mop up the blood before the domestics clean the floor.
The nurses generally oversee the wards and specialise afaik .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2022 9:10:26 GMT
Link “ Currently, a newly-qualified nurse earns around £25,000, while the average nurse in the UK earns £33,000” You won’t get that filling shelves in Tescos . It’s the HCAs that do the dirty work in the NHS . They are the ones who wipe the arses and mop up the blood before the domestics clean the floor. The nurses generally oversee the wards and specialise afaik . You do know the average wage in the UK is £38,000. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2022 10:30:24 GMT
Link “ Currently, a newly-qualified nurse earns around £25,000, while the average nurse in the UK earns £33,000” You won’t get that filling shelves in Tescos . It’s the HCAs that do the dirty work in the NHS . They are the ones who wipe the arses and mop up the blood before the domestics clean the floor. The nurses generally oversee the wards and specialise afaik . You do know the average wage in the UK is £38,000. You don’t get that by filling shelves either . |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 9, 2022 10:37:50 GMT
Link “ Currently, a newly-qualified nurse earns around £25,000, while the average nurse in the UK earns £33,000” You won’t get that filling shelves in Tescos . It’s the HCAs that do the dirty work in the NHS . They are the ones who wipe the arses and mop up the blood before the domestics clean the floor. The nurses generally oversee the wards and specialise afaik . You do know the average wage in the UK is £38,000. Bently is quite right the staring pay for a Nurse on the bottom rung of the ladder is about £25 grand, that is after if they complete and pass, a three-year degree course, not a great deal to keep body and soul together and pay your bills accommodation etc Their learning does not stop there in order to go up the ladder, they have to pass other exams study in their spare time to reach the next rung of the ladder and get a higher pay scale, it can take several years to become a Nursing Manager and earn about £38 grand a year, that is why some are leaving, and as the majority of Nurses are women some leave to have children some may return part time, some may never return |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2022 10:58:05 GMT
You do know the average wage in the UK is £38,000. Bently is quite right the staring pay for a Nurse on the bottom rung of the ladder is about £25 grand, that is after if they complete and pass, a three-year degree course, not a great deal to keep body and soul together and pay your bills accommodation etc Their learning does not stop there in order to go up the ladder, they have to pass other exams study in their spare time to reach the next rung of the ladder and get a higher pay scale, it can take several years to become a Nursing Manager and earn about £38 grand a year, that is why some are leaving, and as the majority of Nurses are women some leave to have children some may return part time, some may never return Indeed but let’s put this into perspective. An HCA can be paid to study and pass the degree to qualify as a nurse . Yup they will be paid …with days to study . Its not easy but they will have the full support of the NHS. After qualifying they can apply to specialise . It doesn’t take years to do that . Say for instance an HCA working in theatres qualifies as a ‘ pinned’ nurse . She can apply to become , say a district nurse almost immediately. This takes a few months while they shadow a qualified district nurse and learn the procedures and protocols. When they are a qualified district nurse then they could be given a car by the NHS . If they qualified as a scrub nurse ( theatre) after getting their ‘ pin’ and THEN become a district nurse then they can get extra shifts on ‘ bank ‘ in theatres . They can earn quite a bit of money doing that . However they could qualify as a nurse and spend their time on medical wards . They still can get extra shifts there . So really it depends on the nurse . Also nurses have opportunities of flexible working and pretty much have a job for life . If they are competent. |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 9, 2022 11:20:05 GMT
I only know so much as my wife has been in nursing for nearly 30 years things have changed over time, it took her longer to get up the ladder due to taking several years' time out to raise our kids, she now works in theatre which took a hands-on day to day experience plus a part-time Uni course one day a week to qualify.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2022 11:34:23 GMT
I only know so much as my wife has been in nursing for nearly 30 years things have changed over time, it took her longer to get up the ladder due to taking several years' time out to raise our kids, she now works in theatre which took a hands-on day to day experience plus a part-time Uni course one day a week to qualify. My last post is pretty much exactly what happened with my daughter. She earns good money and her car is supplied by the NHS . |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 9, 2022 12:12:11 GMT
Wife is on reasonable money, but some weeks very long hours, some of her friends who have basically retired from the NHS but still in nursing work two three days a week on the BANK, both NHS and Private money is quite good, and still have a home life they as you know can pick and choose when and where they work
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2022 12:38:05 GMT
Wife is on reasonable money, but some weeks very long hours, some of her friends who have basically retired from the NHS but still in nursing work two three days a week on the BANK, both NHS and Private money is quite good, and still have a home life they as you know can pick and choose when and where they work My daughter told me that bank work for scrub nurses was very well paid but scrub nurses lose some nursing skill over time so she wanted to leave theatres after a while and train to be a district nurse . However a position of district ( community) nurse near her home turned up soon after she qualified and she went for it . Point is that NHS nurses are reasonable well paid , have the option of free training ,promotion, diversity ,bank work and flexible working . |
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Post by patman post on Nov 9, 2022 13:24:19 GMT
Wife is on reasonable money, but some weeks very long hours, some of her friends who have basically retired from the NHS but still in nursing work two three days a week on the BANK, both NHS and Private money is quite good, and still have a home life they as you know can pick and choose when and where they work My daughter told me that bank work for scrub nurses was very well paid but scrub nurses lose some nursing skill over time so she wanted to leave theatres after a while and train to be a district nurse . However a position of district ( community) nurse near her home turned up soon after she qualified and she went for it . Point is that NHS nurses are reasonable well paid , have the option of free training ,promotion, diversity ,bank work and flexible working . Free training (for recognisable qualifications after up to four years) on a crap wage doesn’t even compare to the training offered to military recruits, where it’s highlighted as a reason to sign up… |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2022 13:43:27 GMT
My daughter told me that bank work for scrub nurses was very well paid but scrub nurses lose some nursing skill over time so she wanted to leave theatres after a while and train to be a district nurse . However a position of district ( community) nurse near her home turned up soon after she qualified and she went for it . Point is that NHS nurses are reasonable well paid , have the option of free training ,promotion, diversity ,bank work and flexible working . Free training (for recognisable qualifications after up to four years) on a crap wage doesn’t even compare to the training offered to military recruits, where it’s highlighted as a reason to sign up… HCA wages are not crap. The chance to study while being paid is a good thing, right? Nurses are not military. |
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 9, 2022 14:39:01 GMT
That is not what the article says. It talks about nurses one minute, then switches to talk about the "work force". They are obviously talking about Health Care Assistants, clerks, porters (lower grade staff). Use your brain, Where the fuck can somebody earn £34k (plus overtime & shift allowances) in retail? lol. You would have to work 80 hours a week to earn a nurses wage in retail / pub / restaurant lol. Like I said previously, they are primarily leaving because the job is shit because of the spiraling staffing shortages. Of course they think they should be paid more, who doesn't? Read it how you want but it is pretty plain to see. "Record numbers of nurses are quitting the NHS in England, with overwhelmed staff ditching hospital roles for better-paid retail gigs. More than 40,000 have left the health service in the past year – nearly a tenth of the workforce, official data suggests. Many leavers were highly skilled and knowledgeable with years more work left. They were quitting in pursuit of a better work-life balance, analysts said". Are nurses not staff or are you defining work roles. Come on then, link me a retail job that pays £34k... Like I said, you have to work 80 hours a week in retail to earn that!! There is a reason they change their language during the article from nurse to workforce. It is to suggest that nurses are using foodbanks, while not actually saying it, so they cannot be called out. Nobody believes a nurse earning £34k basic (then add shift allowance, overtime, bank shifts) is using food banks or needs petrol money. A healthcare assistant, or admin on £20k, who may not have access to allowance, overtime and bank shifts, then yeah maybe. Well yes of course some nurses are leaving for better work life balance, many of the roles are shift based. We have had 30 drivers leave our place this year, and it's a £50k+ a year job, but it's mostly lates and nights, so doesn't suit everybody. Like I also said, the shortages are making people leave too, because the more leave, the worse it gets. www.nhsbands.co.uk/ |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2022 14:54:47 GMT
Our local DGH ( District General Hospital ) covers a relatively small population area of 163,000 people spread over a wide area of the North Yorkshire coast and countryside, including the North York Moors.
The area has 4 ambulance stations covering 900 square miles
Yesterday a member of the public filmed a total of 14 ambulances queuing at the A&E department at the Disrict General Hospital in Scarborough, meaning that 14 ambulances ARE NOT AVAILABLE for calls or emergencies.
The staff shortages are so acute at Scarborough Hospital, that the health trust has engaged a private company to supply nurse / paramedics, but the private company has not got the number of qualified people required, and therefore the company is advertising for for the roles, at a pay rate of between £28 and £36 per hour.
The AVERAGE wait time for a 999 Emergency call in this area is now over half an hour
I have spoken with several people in the last few days who have been to Scarborough Hospital, the overwhelming impression is that there are simply not enough staff. One lady I spoke to told me that she needed urgent attention at the outpatient centre, the doctor she saw looked worn out and tired.
Our NHS is crumbling before our very eyes, it was falling apart before anyone had ever heard of Covid, and there are several reasons for the NHS heading towards a situation where its not fit for purpose - but mainly that investment and resources have been too little / not enough, over a long period of time from 2011 until today, over ten years.
Nurses and other health professionals have seen in real terms - a 20% cut in their pay over the last 10 years due to pay freezes and pay awards below the rate of inflation.
We need a realisation amongst the public that our NHS is not safe under the Tories, and we need an acceptance that unless we pay staff FAIRLY, they will leave the service, and staff shortages will get worse, services will not be able to function.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2022 14:55:30 GMT
You do know the average wage in the UK is £38,000. You don’t get that by filling shelves either . You are quoting nurses wages and saying they get enough but they get below the average wage. That cannot be moral, they do an amazing job and need compensated accordingly. |
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