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Post by Einhorn on Nov 7, 2022 16:02:12 GMT
So what exactly is your problem with someone following the rules? The problem is that starmer had to self isolate more times than anyone else in the UK Stop being so frigging daft. Its like trying to get through to a total lefty nonce. You make these irational and wild statements and when they are shot down in flames you start aonther bunch of crap. Are we allowed to refer to the angry Right as Gammon on this site? It wasn't allowed on the old site. So far, I've come across plenty of references to 'lefty scum', and now we have 'total lefty nonce'. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 16:05:09 GMT
So what exactly is your problem with someone following the rules? The problem is that starmer had to self isolate more times than anyone else in the UK Stop being so frigging daft. Its like trying to get through to a total lefty nonce. You make these irational and wild statements and when they are shot down in flames you start aonther bunch of crap. Have you asked everyone in the country how many times they had to self-isolate? I have to 4 times and did. It's called setting an example. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 16:50:43 GMT
Have you asked everyone in the country how many times they had to self-isolate? I have to 4 times and did. It's called setting an example.Setting an example of being a total twat in starmers case. Would you have respected Starmer more if he turned up in the HoCs when he was told to isolate? |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 7, 2022 17:07:41 GMT
Maybe if borris has self isolated he wouldn't of put strain on the NHS.
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 7, 2022 18:46:54 GMT
Have you asked everyone in the country how many times they had to self-isolate? I have to 4 times and did. It's called setting an example.Setting an example of being a total twat in starmers case. Why is self isolating being a twit? 🤔 |
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Post by roots on Nov 7, 2022 19:10:17 GMT
I haven't read the entire thread so can't be sure this hasn't been said before, but why do so many think that nurses do the job they do because they care?
Most, the vast majority do the job because it pays relatively well, has plenty of overtime, is a job for life and comes with a generous pension.
The notion that all nurses are hero angels is a nonsense.
They are merely doing a job.
If their motivation for doing the job was to 'care' then they'd do it for half the price.
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Post by patman post on Nov 7, 2022 19:18:18 GMT
I haven't read the entire thread so can't be sure this hasn't been said before, but why do so many think that nurses do the job they do because they care? Most, the vast majority do the job because it pays relatively well, has plenty of overtime, is a job for life and comes with a generous pension. The notion that all nurses are hero angels is a nonsense. They are merely doing a job. If their motivation for doing the job was to 'care' then they'd do it for half the price. Then I guess we shouldn’t worry about medical staff leaving or going on strike. It must also be a waste of money trying to get retired staff to return and fund drives to get increased numbers of people to train… |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 7, 2022 19:20:08 GMT
Why is self isolating being a twit? 🤔 Catching it six times is a bit of a clue and I stated twat not twit. Adults use naughty words. Right, so you are a twit for catching Covid, rather than self isolating. That's clear. Is everyone who catches it a twit, or just members of the Labour Party? |
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Post by roots on Nov 7, 2022 19:45:33 GMT
I haven't read the entire thread so can't be sure this hasn't been said before, but why do so many think that nurses do the job they do because they care? Most, the vast majority do the job because it pays relatively well, has plenty of overtime, is a job for life and comes with a generous pension. The notion that all nurses are hero angels is a nonsense. They are merely doing a job. If their motivation for doing the job was to 'care' then they'd do it for half the price. Then I guess we shouldn’t worry about medical staff leaving or going on strike. It must also be a waste of money trying to get retired staff to return and fund drives to get increased numbers of people to train… Of course we should be concerned, but the problem isn't pay. They are paid a good wage, the problem lies solely at the feet of the beurocratic he'll hole the NHS has become. The staff simply cannot take it anymore, that is why they are leaving its not about the pay. Well, it is in a way, they want more for having to put up with it. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 7, 2022 20:08:00 GMT
I haven't read the entire thread so can't be sure this hasn't been said before, but why do so many think that nurses do the job they do because they care? Most, the vast majority do the job because it pays relatively well, has plenty of overtime, is a job for life and comes with a generous pension. The notion that all nurses are hero angels is a nonsense. They are merely doing a job. If their motivation for doing the job was to 'care' then they'd do it for half the price. Then I guess we shouldn’t worry about medical staff leaving or going on strike. It must also be a waste of money trying to get retired staff to return and fund drives to get increased numbers of people to train… Claiming that nurses are underpaid angels when they are not probably doesn’t help the ‘ drives to increase numbers of people to train’ much. |
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 8, 2022 4:49:07 GMT
From what I have heard the strikes results will be localised (ie each individual hospital). So struggling hospitals will be "yes", the more stable ones "no". Personally, I haven't heard a single nurse say they will strike.
Demanding 15% is just nuts, considering the average nurse is on £34k + overtime / shift premiums. How they think they are going to get the public on their side once this becomes public knowledge is beyond me.
I know load of Nurses (I live with one, sister-in-law is one, all their friends are nurses) and while they would welcome a little extra, their main gripe is actually staffing levels. The NHS is caught in a spiral at the moment. The lower the levels get, the more people want to leave, and when new blood does come in, they too leave because the pressure is so great. The Tories need to pull their finger out and fund a load of new nurses / doctors, give them free degrees and bursaries. They should also offer cash incentives to get people back.
They do need to the sort out the pension scheme, the contributions they have to make is nuts 9.8% - 12.5%. My missus got a 4% pay rise this year and she was £100 a month worse off because she hit the next pension level, a whopping 12.5%!!!. They even backdated it, so she owed them £500!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 6:03:40 GMT
I haven't read the entire thread so can't be sure this hasn't been said before, but why do so many think that nurses do the job they do because they care? Most, the vast majority do the job because it pays relatively well, has plenty of overtime, is a job for life and comes with a generous pension. The notion that all nurses are hero angels is a nonsense. They are merely doing a job. If their motivation for doing the job was to 'care' then they'd do it for half the price. That's probably why so many nurses are leaving the NHS to work in retail. link |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 6:04:54 GMT
Then I guess we shouldn’t worry about medical staff leaving or going on strike. It must also be a waste of money trying to get retired staff to return and fund drives to get increased numbers of people to train… Of course we should be concerned, but the problem isn't pay. They are paid a good wage, the problem lies solely at the feet of the beurocratic he'll hole the NHS has become. The staff simply cannot take it anymore, that is why they are leaving its not about the pay. Well, it is in a way, they want more for having to put up with it. They want more so they don't have to go to food banks. |
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 9, 2022 3:58:52 GMT
I haven't read the entire thread so can't be sure this hasn't been said before, but why do so many think that nurses do the job they do because they care? Most, the vast majority do the job because it pays relatively well, has plenty of overtime, is a job for life and comes with a generous pension. The notion that all nurses are hero angels is a nonsense. They are merely doing a job. If their motivation for doing the job was to 'care' then they'd do it for half the price. That's probably why so many nurses are leaving the NHS to work in retail. linkThat is not what the article says. It talks about nurses one minute, then switches to talk about the "work force". They are obviously talking about Health Care Assistants, clerks, porters (lower grade staff). Use your brain, Where the fuck can somebody earn £34k (plus overtime & shift allowances) in retail? lol. You would have to work 80 hours a week to earn a nurses wage in retail / pub / restaurant lol. Like I said previously, they are primarily leaving because the job is shit because of the spiraling staffing shortages. Of course they think they should be paid more, who doesn't? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2022 5:44:57 GMT
That's probably why so many nurses are leaving the NHS to work in retail. linkThat is not what the article says. It talks about nurses one minute, then switches to talk about the "work force". They are obviously talking about Health Care Assistants, clerks, porters (lower grade staff). Use your brain, Where the fuck can somebody earn £34k (plus overtime & shift allowances) in retail? lol. You would have to work 80 hours a week to earn a nurses wage in retail / pub / restaurant lol. Like I said previously, they are primarily leaving because the job is shit because of the spiraling staffing shortages. Of course they think they should be paid more, who doesn't? Read it how you want but it is pretty plain to see. "Record numbers of nurses are quitting the NHS in England, with overwhelmed staff ditching hospital roles for better-paid retail gigs. More than 40,000 have left the health service in the past year – nearly a tenth of the workforce, official data suggests. Many leavers were highly skilled and knowledgeable with years more work left. They were quitting in pursuit of a better work-life balance, analysts said". Are nurses not staff or are you defining work roles.  |
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