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Post by Vinny on Nov 24, 2023 13:14:10 GMT
What more details are you seeking Vinny. We know his age country.of birth nationality and time lived in Ireland. We also know the police do not regard his motives as terrorist. (You seemingly jumped to the wrong conclusion there). I didn't jump to any conclusion I simply said I wouldn't be surprised... |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 24, 2023 13:16:43 GMT
Then I'm glad they agree with me.
Very sensible of them.  Your point was about the BBC making things up when in fact they were just reporting what the Guardia had said. Twisting the truth to suit your narrative rarely works out well. A lesson I'm sure you will ignore in the future. There is so much egg on faces in this thread there'll be no omelette for lunch in several households today. Well if you didn't work so hard to miss the point you wouldn't end up looking so silly. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 24, 2023 13:17:08 GMT
If as the police said, as soon as they were reasonably confident to say so, this was not a terrorist incident, what difference does ethnicity make if the motivation was say domestic or a case of severe mental health breakdown or any number of possible reasons?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 24, 2023 13:17:19 GMT
Almost immediately they didn't release any details about the suspect. Is the painfully obvious point. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 24, 2023 13:17:57 GMT
Best way to avoid racism is by treating all criminals the same way, releasing descriptions and just treating them as the suspect they are, rather than a member of a "minority ethnic group". No need to make some people special. If this wasn't an Islamist, say so. If this was a white guy, say so. If this was an Albanian illegal immigrant, say so. If this was a Pakistani or other nationality, say so. Whatever his or her religion is, say so. Release details about the suspect that the public can understand. Almost immediately the police said they didn't think it was an act of terrorism and they weren't looking for anyone else. Pretty quick detective work. I wonder if they consulted a psychic. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 24, 2023 13:18:38 GMT
If as the police said, as soon as they were reasonably confident to say so, this was not a terrorist incident, what difference does ethnicity make if the motivation was say domestic or a case of severe mental health breakdown or any number of possible reasons? Quite.
So why did the official response feel the need to follow the now entirely predictable pattern?
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 24, 2023 13:21:08 GMT
Your point was about the BBC making things up when in fact they were just reporting what the Guardia had said. Twisting the truth to suit your narrative rarely works out well. A lesson I'm sure you will ignore in the future. There is so much egg on faces in this thread there'll be no omelette for lunch in several households today. Well if you didn't work so hard to miss the point you wouldn't end up looking so silly. Your point was the BBC lied but they didn't. They simply reported what the Dublin police had said. I get it, you are very disappointed that the BBC didn't make anything up but doubling down just makes you look ignorant. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 24, 2023 13:23:17 GMT
Almost immediately the police said they didn't think it was an act of terrorism and they weren't looking for anyone else. Pretty quick detective work. I wonder if they consulted a psychic. I doubt it. I imagine they just did normal police work such as eye witness statements. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 24, 2023 13:27:32 GMT
Who did the London bridge attack? The bombing of the London transport network? Ariana Grande? 11th September 2001, 7th October 2023? Islamists.
Whether this was an Islamist or not, there is a problem.
If you cannot see that there is a problem, it is an even bigger problem, because the more of us (including Muslims) who recognise the problem of Islamists, the easier it is to neutralise the problem in the long term.
The fewer of us recognising the problem, the harder it will be to put a stop to it.
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Post by Orac on Nov 24, 2023 13:30:15 GMT
Pretty quick detective work. I wonder if they consulted a psychic. I doubt it. I imagine they just did normal police work such as eye witness statements. I don't see how how such observations would clarify the motives exhaustively. They would just be a plain description of the crime. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 24, 2023 13:36:56 GMT
Well if you didn't work so hard to miss the point you wouldn't end up looking so silly. Your point was the BBC lied but they didn't. They simply reported what the Dublin police had said. I get it, you are very disappointed that the BBC didn't make anything up but doubling down just makes you look ignorant. My point wasn't specifically about the BBC but rather the official narrative, albeit eagerly seized upon by the BBC.
And you, for that matter.
That officialdom felt the need to issue a deflection before anyone had actually made an allegation speaks volumes.
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 24, 2023 13:38:34 GMT
I doubt it. I imagine they just did normal police work such as eye witness statements. I don't see how how such observations would clarify the motives exhaustively. They would just be a plain description of the crime. What detective work? He was conscious when arrested, wasn't he? Why assume he wasn't more than happy to explain his motives. Most lunatics are. And can you explain why it is necessary to release information about his identity at a time when mobs are roaming the streets and the risk of revenge attacks against innocent members of the same ethnic group are high? It would be more reasonable to wait until tensions have died down, wouldn't it? After all, there's no immediate need to release that information, is there? The police can and should act to ensure that more innocents are not injured. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 15:28:40 GMT
Wouldn't be surprised if it was Islamist terrorism. So quick to jump to an erroneous assumption. I'm disappointed in you Vinny. So disappointed. How do you say allahu akbar in Irish? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2023 15:29:27 GMT
Almost immediately the police said they didn't think it was an act of terrorism and they weren't looking for anyone else. Pretty quick detective work. I wonder if they consulted a psychic. It's their default position. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 24, 2023 15:39:44 GMT
It seems the same people are critisising the Irish police for announcing too much about the perpetrator and his motives and too little . All to fit in within the posters agenda.
Whenever an incident happens it is always best to wait a little while to understand what has actually happened . Stops people looking very silly.
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