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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 24, 2023 12:16:50 GMT
Wouldn't be surprised if it was Islamist terrorism. So quick to jump to an erroneous assumption. I'm disappointed in you Vinny. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 24, 2023 12:37:18 GMT
Just listened to an Irish journalist who was speaking from Dublin. He said anti immigrant tensions in Dublin have been slowly building for a couple of years. He said young unemployed Irish people are becoming increasingly resentful of what they see as young male immigrants taking their jobs, and recent high profile murders of Irish people by immigrants have only made matters worse.
And every day the EU allow thousands more illegals to enter a borderless EU, and to cross the channel. The EU has done more damage to Europe than the Nazis ever did.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 24, 2023 12:38:14 GMT
Nope. But the fact they're blaming the subsequent riots on the usual fictitious "Far Right" tells its own story. That's what the Dublin police are saying. Then I'm glad they agree with me.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 24, 2023 12:40:19 GMT
It's a sad fact that Islamists have carried out a lot of terrorism. If that statement offends you, ask why? It's not me having a go at Muslims, it's me having a go at extremists.
Extremists have carried out a lot of terrorism, Ireland is not immune to that.
Hope everyone who was hurt recovers and the perpetrator gets a book thrown at him.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 24, 2023 12:53:32 GMT
It's a sad fact that Islamists have carried out a lot of terrorism. If that statement offends you, ask why? It's not me having a go at Muslims, it's me having a go at extremists. Extremists have carried out a lot of terrorism, Ireland is not immune to that. Hope everyone who was hurt recovers and the perpetrator gets a book thrown at him. If nothing else it's a lesson about not jumping to conclusions and waiting for more information to come out. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 24, 2023 12:56:33 GMT
I didn't jump to a conclusion.
You did.
I don't know who did it, but when Police refuse to provide a description, it does create questions who and why?
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 24, 2023 12:57:02 GMT
The police have the offender (of the stabbings) in custody but refuse to release any information about him. This is apparently causing rumours on the internet and tensions on the streets. It must be said, the chances are if he was white and Irish the police would have said so at the time of his arrest. When it comes to minorities the Garda appear to have a lot in common with our police.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 24, 2023 13:02:10 GMT
That's what the Dublin police are saying. Then I'm glad they agree with me.
Very sensible of them. Your point was about the BBC making things up when in fact they were just reporting what the Guardia had said. Twisting the truth to suit your narrative rarely works out well. A lesson I'm sure you will ignore in the future. There is so much egg on faces in this thread there'll be no omelette for lunch in several households today. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 24, 2023 13:03:49 GMT
Best way to avoid racism is by treating all criminals the same way, releasing descriptions and just treating them as the suspect they are, rather than a member of a "minority ethnic group".
No need to make some people special.
If this wasn't an Islamist, say so. If this was a white guy, say so. If this was an Albanian illegal immigrant, say so.
If this was a Pakistani or other nationality, say so.
Whatever his or her religion is, say so.
Release details about the suspect that the public can understand.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 24, 2023 13:07:36 GMT
I didn't jump to a conclusion. You did. I don't know who did it, but when Police refuse to provide a description, it does create questions who and why? The police rarely give out names and details while investigations are ongoing. Rather than wait for more information you went straight to ''terrorists''. Disappointing. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 24, 2023 13:08:46 GMT
What more details are you seeking Vinny.
We know his age country.of birth nationality and time lived in Ireland. We also know the police do not regard his motives as terrorist. (You seemingly jumped to the wrong conclusion there).
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 24, 2023 13:10:16 GMT
Best way to avoid racism is by treating all criminals the same way, releasing descriptions and just treating them as the suspect they are, rather than a member of a "minority ethnic group". No need to make some people special. If this wasn't an Islamist, say so. If this was a white guy, say so. If this was an Albanian illegal immigrant, say so. If this was a Pakistani or other nationality, say so. Whatever his or her religion is, say so. Release details about the suspect that the public can understand. Almost immediately the police said they didn't think it was an act of terrorism and they weren't looking for anyone else. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 24, 2023 13:12:50 GMT
Best way to avoid racism is by treating all criminals the same way, releasing descriptions and just treating them as the suspect they are, rather than a member of a "minority ethnic group". No need to make some people special. If this wasn't an Islamist, say so. If this was a white guy, say so. If this was an Albanian illegal immigrant, say so. If this was a Pakistani or other nationality, say so. Whatever his or her religion is, say so. Release details about the suspect that the public can understand. Indeed, say so. But wait until tensions have died down first. What's to be gained from releasing that information right now? Why the urgency? Why can't it be released early next week, when the mob has has cooled down. If it does turn out to be a Muslim, releasing this information immediately could result in revenge attacks against innocent Muslims. So, I'll ask again: why the urgency to say who the perpetrator is? |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 24, 2023 13:13:13 GMT
Almost immediately they didn't release any details about the suspect.
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 24, 2023 13:14:07 GMT
Almost immediately they didn't release any details about the suspect. So? He was safely in custody. What would have been achieved? It's easy to think of things that might be achieved if details were withheld, but it's not easy to imagine what would have been achieved by releasing details when mobs are roaming the streets. |
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