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Post by sandypine on Nov 9, 2022 18:24:52 GMT
Government are inactive over many things that our children and grandchildren will suffer from due to that inaction. Most of those are subjective opinions. I want my government to hand out new licenses for oil prospecting but I do not sit in the street and make that a demand. Being adamant something should happen is not the same as being right Could that be because they are handing out those licenses? Are you a climate disaster denier, then? Well is that not how democracy works? For goodness sake we could have anyone demanding anything and blocking all sorts of things because they believe implicitly if we do not all stand on our heads and sing Jerusalam then the world will end at 4pm on the 19th Nov. Protesting is the action of making your point heard with minimal disruption to others as per almost every demonstration I can recall for the past sixty years except CND and they were removed from the highway pdq. What is a climate disaster denier? Is there a problem with climate change? Possibly. Will that affect us badly? Maybe. Is the science settled? Far from it. Have the models given accurate predictions in the last thirty years? Seems not. Is it a means to control the populace? Probably. Should we listen to the soothsayers of doom? With care. Is there extreme amounts of hypocrisy surrounding the whole climate change edifice and programme. Undoubtedly. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 9, 2022 18:36:46 GMT
And here is the sort of deluded self indulgent and of course intimidatory rants Just Stop Oil are issuing Just Stop Oil press release Nov 9th
'This is not a one day event, expect us every day and anywhere. This is an act of resistance against a criminal government and their genocidal death project. Our supporters will be returning – today, tomorrow and the next day – and the next day after that – and every day until our demand is met: no new oil and gas in the UK.'
A toxic mix of  ,  and sad denial What are they denying? Democracy, that they are criminals and that they are actually harming their cause |
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 9, 2022 21:30:42 GMT
The man was booted out of ER for saying the holocaust was a normal event!
Look at the wording, "criminal government", "genocidal death project", it is creating an enemy to justify what comes next...
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 9, 2022 22:10:34 GMT
They have stated what they want it is not really up for discussion, it is well past that stage... That's not their call to make. We live in a democracy, everything is up for discussion. If you don't wish to engage with that you get ignored. These people are now being ignored, or rather their purported cause is. They've made it about them. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2022 3:04:15 GMT
By whom? The protesters or the people in the traffic jam. The protesters are doing it for that reason so it reasonable to believe that is what they are thinking about. The people stuck in traffic should be thinking about it but are focusing their anger on the messengers not the people who are wilfully using them. The aren’t messengers . They are anti social vandals that are using the eco narrative as an excuse to be knob ends. Messenger: a person that delvers messages. They are not doing damage they are 'getting in the way'. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2022 3:05:32 GMT
"I never said that in certain circumstances they would use bombs. I said that it is ludicrous to think that they won’t". If it is ludicrous to think they, won't you are saying they will. Why would you want to herd cats? I seem to be stuck with it. Disputing that it is ludicrous to think they wouldn’t does not accuse them of doing it or suggesting that they would . You are claiming an absolute ie ‘they would never do it ‘ I am disputing your claim ie ‘you don’t know whether they would or wouldn’t.’ I can’t make it any clearer. If the penny hasn’t dropped yet , it never will . You are looking for thought crimes.🤣 You are comparing them to a group that did use bombs. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2022 3:07:44 GMT
Could that be because they are handing out those licenses? Are you a climate disaster denier, then? Well is that not how democracy works? For goodness sake we could have anyone demanding anything and blocking all sorts of things because they believe implicitly if we do not all stand on our heads and sing Jerusalam then the world will end at 4pm on the 19th Nov. Protesting is the action of making your point heard with minimal disruption to others as per almost every demonstration I can recall for the past sixty years except CND and they were removed from the highway pdq. What is a climate disaster denier? Is there a problem with climate change? Possibly. Will that affect us badly? Maybe. Is the science settled? Far from it. Have the models given accurate predictions in the last thirty years? Seems not. Is it a means to control the populace? Probably. Should we listen to the soothsayers of doom? With care. Is there extreme amounts of hypocrisy surrounding the whole climate change edifice and programme. Undoubtedly. It is a democratic freedom for people to protest. You are then. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2022 3:08:38 GMT
Democracy, that they are criminals and that they are actually harming their cause Protesting is not democratic? 😊 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2022 3:09:35 GMT
They have stated what they want it is not really up for discussion, it is well past that stage... That's not their call to make. We live in a democracy, everything is up for discussion. If you don't wish to engage with that you get ignored. These people are now being ignored, or rather their purported cause is. They've made it about them. They were ignored when they did not block roads but now it's in the news every day. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 10, 2022 4:15:48 GMT
Yea they say there no such thing has bad publicity
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Post by Steve on Nov 10, 2022 9:35:33 GMT
Democracy, that they are criminals and that they are actually harming their cause Protesting is not democratic? 😊  ^ You are just posting utter crap to annoy. You know full well this is intimidation but you deliberately falsely position it as protest. Grow up |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 10, 2022 11:42:11 GMT
I seem to be stuck with it. Disputing that it is ludicrous to think they wouldn’t does not accuse them of doing it or suggesting that they would . You are claiming an absolute ie ‘they would never do it ‘ I am disputing your claim ie ‘you don’t know whether they would or wouldn’t.’ I can’t make it any clearer. If the penny hasn’t dropped yet , it never will . You are looking for thought crimes.🤣 You are comparing them to a group that did use bombs. I’m not looking for anything . I am refuting your claim. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 10, 2022 11:44:57 GMT
The aren’t messengers . They are anti social vandals that are using the eco narrative as an excuse to be knob ends. Messenger: a person that delvers messages. They are not doing damage they are 'getting in the way'. They are doing damage by getting in the way ie malevolently impending others from going about their lives . Even those who need medical attention. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 10, 2022 11:46:37 GMT
That's not their call to make. We live in a democracy, everything is up for discussion. If you don't wish to engage with that you get ignored. These people are now being ignored, or rather their purported cause is. They've made it about them. They were ignored when they did not block roads but now it's in the news every day. The eco narrative isn’t . What is on the news every day is that a few wankers are blocking a major route . There is a difference. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 10, 2022 11:56:51 GMT
That's not their call to make. We live in a democracy, everything is up for discussion. If you don't wish to engage with that you get ignored. These people are now being ignored, or rather their purported cause is. They've made it about them. They were ignored when they did not block roads but now it's in the news every day. The people who's lives they are ruining don't give a flying fuck about their cause, and it's not their cause that's getting noticed, it's the incompetence of the police that's getting noticed. |
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