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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2022 16:58:05 GMT
No it isn’t . It disputes the claim that they would not . It didn’t accuse them of doing it . I am not sure you actually understand the words you write. "It disputes the claim that they would not". Is quite clearly a claim that they would, therefore an accusation. “ To suggest these idiots WOULD not is ludicrous.” Is not an accusation ffs. It disputes that there is no possibility. You are confusing the this with To suggest these idiots did not is ludicrous…. I am sure that you don’t understand the words you read . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2022 16:58:08 GMT
They have stated what they want it is not really up for discussion, it is well past that stage. It is our children and grandchildren that will suffer the consequences of the government's inaction. Government are inactive over many things that our children and grandchildren will suffer from due to that inaction. Most of those are subjective opinions. I want my government to hand out new licenses for oil prospecting but I do not sit in the street and make that a demand. Being adamant something should happen is not the same as being right Could that be because they are handing out those licenses? Are you a climate disaster denier, then? |
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Post by Steve on Nov 9, 2022 16:58:19 GMT
Certainly these disruptive stunts would have seemed violent to the Police Officer injured today in an accident caused by the disruption Police report'Initially officers intervened to deal with someone on the motorway between Junction 26 and 27.
Due to this a rolling road block was put in place.
Subsequently, there was a collision involving two lorries and a police motorbike. The motorbike rider was injured.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2022 17:00:00 GMT
I agree they should stop but the best medicine is to look for the cause of the boil to cure it completely. You are attempting to stop a pain by making it worse. How is curbing a bunch of anti social vandals that are refocusing the eco narrative to their self indulgent behaviour making it worse ? Ill ask you , when you are waiting for 5 hours in a traffic jam because some arseholes have blocked the M25 , How much if that time is spent contemplating Green issues? It says a lot if you call 'eco' people anti-social when they are trying to do something for all of us, in other words a social action. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2022 17:03:01 GMT
I am not sure you actually understand the words you write. "It disputes the claim that they would not". Is quite clearly a claim that they would, therefore an accusation. “ To suggest these idiots WOULD not is ludicrous.” Is not an accusation ffs. It disputes that there is no possibility. You are confusing the this with To suggest these idiots did not is ludicrous…. I am sure that you don’t understand the words you read . Simply: you are saying that, in some circumstance, the protesters would use bombs. This is an accusation. You used the suffragette movement as your example, that did use some bombing. You obviously do not understand how women were treated in those days. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2022 17:03:31 GMT
How is curbing a bunch of anti social vandals that are refocusing the eco narrative to their self indulgent behaviour making it worse ? Ill ask you , when you are waiting for 5 hours in a traffic jam because some arseholes have blocked the M25 , How much if that time is spent contemplating Green issues? It says a lot if you call 'eco' people anti-social when they are trying to do something for all of us, in other words a social action. They aren’t . They are refocusing the eco narrative to their stupid exploits . I’ll ask you again and hopefully get an intelligent response “ When you are waiting for 5 hours in a traffic jam because some arseholes have blocked the M25 , How much if that time is spent contemplating Green issues?” |
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Post by Steve on Nov 9, 2022 17:05:36 GMT
And here is the sort of deluded self indulgent and of course intimidatory rants Just Stop Oil are issuing Just Stop Oil press release Nov 9th
'This is not a one day event, expect us every day and anywhere. This is an act of resistance against a criminal government and their genocidal death project. Our supporters will be returning – today, tomorrow and the next day – and the next day after that – and every day until our demand is met: no new oil and gas in the UK.'
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2022 17:09:03 GMT
“ To suggest these idiots WOULD not is ludicrous.” Is not an accusation ffs. It disputes that there is no possibility. You are confusing the this with To suggest these idiots did not is ludicrous…. I am sure that you don’t understand the words you read . Simply: you are saying that, in some circumstance, the protesters would use bombs. This is an accusation. You used the suffragette movement as your example, that did use some bombing. You obviously do not understand how women were treated in those days. This is like herding cats…ffs I never said that in certain circumstances they would use bombs . I said that it is ludicrous to think that they won’t . Then I supplied an example of a protest movement who although would not appear to be capable of using bombs but actually did. If you can’t see the difference between disputing a NOTION that a group could never do something and claiming that they WOULD then it’s pointless in bothering with you . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2022 17:12:33 GMT
It says a lot if you call 'eco' people anti-social when they are trying to do something for all of us, in other words a social action. They aren’t . They are refocusing the eco narrative to their stupid exploits . I’ll ask you again and hopefully get an intelligent response “ When you are waiting for 5 hours in a traffic jam because some arseholes have blocked the M25 , How much if that time is spent contemplating Green issues?” By whom? The protesters or the people in the traffic jam. The protesters are doing it for that reason so it reasonable to believe that is what they are thinking about. The people stuck in traffic should be thinking about it but are focusing their anger on the messengers not the people who are wilfully using them. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2022 17:13:15 GMT
And here is the sort of deluded self indulgent and of course intimidatory rants Just Stop Oil are issuing Just Stop Oil press release Nov 9th
'This is not a one day event, expect us every day and anywhere. This is an act of resistance against a criminal government and their genocidal death project. Our supporters will be returning – today, tomorrow and the next day – and the next day after that – and every day until our demand is met: no new oil and gas in the UK.'
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2022 17:15:58 GMT
Simply: you are saying that, in some circumstance, the protesters would use bombs. This is an accusation. You used the suffragette movement as your example, that did use some bombing. You obviously do not understand how women were treated in those days. This is like herding cats…ffs I never said that in certain circumstances they would use bombs . I said that it is ludicrous to think that they won’t . Then I supplied an example of a protest movement who although would not appear to be capable of using bombs but actually did. If you can’t see the difference between disputing a NOTION that a group could never do something and claiming that they WOULD then it’s pointless in bothering with you . "I never said that in certain circumstances they would use bombs. I said that it is ludicrous to think that they won’t". If it is ludicrous to think they, won't you are saying they will. Why would you want to herd cats? |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2022 17:21:37 GMT
They aren’t . They are refocusing the eco narrative to their stupid exploits . I’ll ask you again and hopefully get an intelligent response “ When you are waiting for 5 hours in a traffic jam because some arseholes have blocked the M25 , How much if that time is spent contemplating Green issues?” By whom? The protesters or the people in the traffic jam. The protesters are doing it for that reason so it reasonable to believe that is what they are thinking about. The people stuck in traffic should be thinking about it but are focusing their anger on the messengers not the people who are wilfully using them. The aren’t messengers . They are anti social vandals that are using the eco narrative as an excuse to be knob ends. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2022 17:27:22 GMT
This is like herding cats…ffs I never said that in certain circumstances they would use bombs . I said that it is ludicrous to think that they won’t . Then I supplied an example of a protest movement who although would not appear to be capable of using bombs but actually did. If you can’t see the difference between disputing a NOTION that a group could never do something and claiming that they WOULD then it’s pointless in bothering with you . "I never said that in certain circumstances they would use bombs. I said that it is ludicrous to think that they won’t". If it is ludicrous to think they, won't you are saying they will. Why would you want to herd cats? I seem to be stuck with it. Disputing that it is ludicrous to think they wouldn’t does not accuse them of doing it or suggesting that they would . You are claiming an absolute ie ‘they would never do it ‘ I am disputing your claim ie ‘you don’t know whether they would or wouldn’t.’ I can’t make it any clearer. If the penny hasn’t dropped yet , it never will . |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 9, 2022 17:59:04 GMT
Don't be daft, I live in a rural area and can sometimes see four or five blue light ambulances in the space of a few miles. Are they carrying bombers?🤣 They weren't carrying anything, they were just screaming around to make them look busy. |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 9, 2022 18:03:50 GMT
This is like herding cats…ffs I never said that in certain circumstances they would use bombs . I said that it is ludicrous to think that they won’t . Then I supplied an example of a protest movement who although would not appear to be capable of using bombs but actually did. If you can’t see the difference between disputing a NOTION that a group could never do something and claiming that they WOULD then it’s pointless in bothering with you . "I never said that in certain circumstances they would use bombs. I said that it is ludicrous to think that they won’t". If it is ludicrous to think they, won't you are saying they will. Why would you want to herd cats?To get them out of the field before the cropper comes along. |
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