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Post by Einhorn on Nov 22, 2023 16:10:04 GMT
There are people who believe themselves to be a cat - does that make them a cat? Of course it does: You just change the definition of "Cat" et voilà they're a cat.
Indeed, that's why there's so many absolute pussies in the world today.  LOL!! Is there really any point trying to explain Saussure or Wittgenstein to a numpty who doesn't even know the difference between the political left and the political right? Last time I had an exchange with this particular idiot, he complained about the Left's supposed tendency to call everyone a Nazi; this despite the fact that he has a politician dressed as a Nazi in his avatar. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 22, 2023 16:11:26 GMT
No, if it was concern over BBC impartiality they would have spoken up and condemned Alan Sugar and other BBC TV personalities when they posted pro Tory/Brexit posts on Twitter, but they didn't. The right loves a bit of cancel culture as much if not more than the left provided it suits their agenda. No. You are just colouring in a slice of position (positions) that's convenient for your wishes (to use public resources to pursue your political ends). For instance, my position is that people paid by the government, who are publicly recognisable figures, shouldn't have public political opinions unless doing so is part of their role. For these people, publicising (or leaking) their private political opinions should be considered incompatible with their role. Ok, but how many of the people calling for Lineker's head also called for Sugar's? From my recollection it was zero. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 22, 2023 16:28:25 GMT
That's because you have confused transgender with transvestism. Not the same thing at all. No confusion - they are both men in frocks. If that's your understanding... |
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Post by see2 on Nov 22, 2023 16:46:08 GMT
It does as far as they are concerned, and that's what counts for them. There are people who believe themselves to be a cat - does that make them a cat? Silly question suggesting that you have no idea about the variations in the human condition, and that despite the almost certain fact that you are conversant with the term 'hermaphrodite'. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 22, 2023 16:48:26 GMT
No. You are just colouring in a slice of position (positions) that's convenient for your wishes (to use public resources to pursue your political ends). For instance, my position is that people paid by the government, who are publicly recognisable figures, shouldn't have public political opinions unless doing so is part of their role. For these people, publicising (or leaking) their private political opinions should be considered incompatible with their role. Ok, but how many of the people calling for Lineker's head also called for Sugar's? From my recollection it was zero. That's not a susefull measurement - people have an opinion when they take a look at something. How many are insisting Sugar should be immune from the same standard they apply to Lineker? You might find one or two. The right's position is based in more than just the advantage of an outcome to them (unlike the left's). You yourself would probably not be happy with the rule I outlined because it would cut off whole raft of future opportunities to (effectively) thieve politically from the public. The right would be the only side happy to remove the intractable 'who decides' problem by simply abolishing the BBC or making a very strong rule. Are you happy to abolish the BBC? Thought not. Are you happy with the sort of rule I outlined? Thought not. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 22, 2023 17:20:36 GMT
I have no idea why the right is becoming so defensive and in retreat just about everywhere, me thinks they might be psychologically unfit.
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Post by sheepy on Nov 22, 2023 17:25:09 GMT
It does as far as they are concerned, and that's what counts for them. There are people who believe themselves to be a cat - does that make them a cat? No it makes them on an extreme fringe, there is a lot of it about. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 22, 2023 17:47:40 GMT
Ok, but how many of the people calling for Lineker's head also called for Sugar's? From my recollection it was zero. That's not a susefull measurement - people have an opinion when they take a look at something. How many are insisting Sugar should be immune from the same standard they apply to Lineker? You might find one or two. The right's position is based in more than just the advantage of an outcome to them (unlike the left's). You yourself would probably not be happy with the rule I outlined because it would cut off whole raft of future opportunities to (effectively) thieve politically from the public. The right would be the only side happy to remove the intractable 'who decides' problem by simply abolishing the BBC or making a very strong rule. Are you happy to abolish the BBC? Thought not. Are you happy with the sort of rule I outlined? Thought not. I disagree, I think the double standards over Lineker and Sugar illustrates my point perfectly. There's a lot I don't like about Piers Morgan but I did respect that after years of complaining about cancel culture from the woke brigade when the right came for Lineker he showed consistency and said that whilst he didn't agree with what Lineker said he supported his right to say it and would oppose cancel culture wherever it came from. He was very much the exception though. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 22, 2023 18:08:51 GMT
If they are ineligible for womens sports competitions then by definition they are not real women. We dont have subsets of competitions for all the people who cannot decided what gender they want to be. LOL! They are disqualified because they were born with a 'male' physique. They are still women by a definition that categorises according to the bio-chemical make-up of the brain. Different societies can and have defined sex by different criteria. There is no correct criterion. There is no platonically ideal woman by which to gauge 'womaness'. No definition is more legitimate than another. Nobody is saying that transgender women are women by your definition. They patently are not women by that definition. But they are women by another definition. Neither definition can be correct. It is a matter of preference, a social construct that can legitimately vary from time to time and place to place. Feel free to give us some examples. There is currently no society that believes that individual feeling trump biology, so I'd be interested in what societies you have in mind. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 22, 2023 18:09:40 GMT
No confusion - they are both men in frocks. If that's your understanding... well its currently the Law - feel free to point out where it is wrong |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 22, 2023 18:11:22 GMT
There are people who believe themselves to be a cat - does that make them a cat? Silly question suggesting that you have no idea about the variations in the human condition, and that despite the almost certain fact that you are conversant with the term 'hermaphrodite'. Yes - and a hermaphrodite is not determined by the individuals feeling on any particular day - it is a biological condition. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 22, 2023 18:16:13 GMT
That's not a susefull measurement - people have an opinion when they take a look at something. How many are insisting Sugar should be immune from the same standard they apply to Lineker? You might find one or two. The right's position is based in more than just the advantage of an outcome to them (unlike the left's). You yourself would probably not be happy with the rule I outlined because it would cut off whole raft of future opportunities to (effectively) thieve politically from the public. The right would be the only side happy to remove the intractable 'who decides' problem by simply abolishing the BBC or making a very strong rule. Are you happy to abolish the BBC? Thought not. Are you happy with the sort of rule I outlined? Thought not. I disagree, I think the double standards over Lineker and Sugar illustrates my point perfectly. The difference is that, unlike Lineker, Sugar was never an employee of the BBC. The Apprentice was an MGM production. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 22, 2023 18:16:21 GMT
That's not a susefull measurement - people have an opinion when they take a look at something. How many are insisting Sugar should be immune from the same standard they apply to Lineker? You might find one or two. The right's position is based in more than just the advantage of an outcome to them (unlike the left's). You yourself would probably not be happy with the rule I outlined because it would cut off whole raft of future opportunities to (effectively) thieve politically from the public. The right would be the only side happy to remove the intractable 'who decides' problem by simply abolishing the BBC or making a very strong rule. Are you happy to abolish the BBC? Thought not. Are you happy with the sort of rule I outlined? Thought not. I disagree, I think the double standards over Lineker and Sugar illustrates my point perfectly. As i point out, you haven't really demonstrated a double standard. Ask me - should Alan Sugar be employed by the BBC if he regularly expresses political opinions?
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Post by see2 on Nov 22, 2023 18:17:15 GMT
Silly question suggesting that you have no idea about the variations in the human condition, and that despite the almost certain fact that you are conversant with the term 'hermaphrodite'. Yes - and a hermaphrodite is not determined by the individuals feeling on any particular day - it is a biological condition. But you miss the point which is that the human condition is open to variations. Who can say for certain just where those variations start or stop? |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 22, 2023 18:20:28 GMT
Yes - and a hermaphrodite is not determined by the individuals feeling on any particular day - it is a biological condition. But you miss the point which is that the human condition is open to variations. Who can say for certain just where those variations start or stop? Which is why we tend to rely on biology to differentiate. Would you be happy if your 12 year old daughter had to share a shower and dressing room with a 30 year old biological male just because he said he felt he was a woman? |
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