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Post by buccaneer on Nov 20, 2023 7:38:21 GMT
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 20, 2023 7:43:19 GMT
How do the Left square that ^ circle? Doublethink, AKA cognitive dissonance.
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Post by walterpaisley on Nov 20, 2023 8:55:14 GMT
How do the Left square that ^ circle? There's no "circle" to "square". Homophobia is, to reasonable people, as much a red line as racism. And that goes as much for homophobia born of a "religious" motivation as anywhere else. I was one of the people, a decade ago, who handed a leaflet in to the Derby police calling for gay people to be killed. (Local Islamists were charged, and later found guilty). Over the years, I've probably argued with just as many "Christians" as "Muslims" over homophobia. I'm not about to play favourites on that one. It may come as a shock to some here to learn that there's such a thing as "binary thinking": I have absolutely no problem with anyone holding any religious views - so long as they keep to the law. I believe Palestinians have a right to a homeland - and Israel has every right to expect to exist and live in peace. I admire the works of Caravaggio, Roman Polanski, and John Wayne - while fully acknowledging that they were/are rotten human beings. See? Binary Thinking. Not so difficult as you might imagine.
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Post by sandypine on Nov 20, 2023 9:36:37 GMT
How do the Left square that ^ circle? There's no "circle" to "square". Homophobia is, to reasonable people, as much a red line as racism. And that goes as much for homophobia born of a "religious" motivation as anywhere else. I was one of the people, a decade ago, who handed a leaflet in to the Derby police calling for gay people to be killed. (Local Islamists were charged, and later found guilty). Over the years, I've probably argued with just as many "Christians" as "Muslims" over homophobia. I'm not about to play favourites on that one. It may come as a shock to some here to learn that there's such a thing as "binary thinking": I have absolutely no problem with anyone holding any religious views - so long as they keep to the law. I believe Palestinians have a right to a homeland - and Israel has every right to expect to exist and live in peace. I admire the works of Caravaggio, Roman Polanski, and John Wayne - while fully acknowledging that they were/are rotten human beings. See? Binary Thinking. Not so difficult as you might imagine. Which really begs the question why participate in the exposure of the BNP membership list whose members had not broken the law nor were they members of an illegal political party. When one knows that exposure would risk physical harm and criminal acts. Is it only 'religious views' that demand respect for holding views even if they are proselytising religion.
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 20, 2023 10:07:40 GMT
How do the Left square that ^ circle? There's no "circle" to "square". Homophobia is, to reasonable people, as much a red line as racism. And that goes as much for homophobia born of a "religious" motivation as anywhere else. I was one of the people, a decade ago, who handed a leaflet in to the Derby police calling for gay people to be killed. (Local Islamists were charged, and later found guilty). Over the years, I've probably argued with just as many "Christians" as "Muslims" over homophobia. I'm not about to play favourites on that one. It may come as a shock to some here to learn that there's such a thing as "binary thinking": I have absolutely no problem with anyone holding any religious views - so long as they keep to the law. I believe Palestinians have a right to a homeland - and Israel has every right to expect to exist and live in peace. I admire the works of Caravaggio, Roman Polanski, and John Wayne - while fully acknowledging that they were/are rotten human beings. See? Binary Thinking. Not so difficult as you might imagine. I'm not sure it is homophobia when calling for your child to be covered from the teaching of homosexuality, and the cult of the alphabet people at school. That's a parent's right whether it be based on religion or not. And as key stakeholders in the education setting, they have every right to voice their concern, Muslim or not.
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 20, 2023 10:18:49 GMT
I'm not sure it is homophobia when calling for your child to be covered from the teaching of homosexuality, and the cult of the alphabet people at school. That's a parent's right whether it be based on religion or not. And as key stakeholders in the education setting, they have every right to voice their concern, Muslim or not. I suppose that would depend on whether you consider homosexuality "normal" or not, and if it does then it seems necessary to include it. For me the question isn't whether it should be included, but more at what age is it appropriate.
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 20, 2023 10:31:03 GMT
I'm not sure it is homophobia when calling for your child to be covered from the teaching of homosexuality, and the cult of the alphabet people at school. That's a parent's right whether it be based on religion or not. And as key stakeholders in the education setting, they have every right to voice their concern, Muslim or not. I suppose that would depend on whether you consider homosexuality "normal" or not, and if it does then it seems necessary to include it. For me the question isn't whether it should be included, but more at what age is it appropriate. Whether it is considered normal or not, a parent still surely has the right to, at the very minimum ask their child be removed from such classes for that duration. And there is nothing normal about teaching children about transgender teddys. Given the book is about teddys it seems it's aiming at a fairly young target audience (Yr6 of primary school), and this ideology isn't even established fact. It is debatable that it is a mental health condition and therefore shouldn't be taught as fact to young minds because it can impact them psychologically and physically.
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 20, 2023 11:02:14 GMT
I agree thst isn't suitable for primary age kids.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 20, 2023 11:57:18 GMT
I agree this isn't suitable for primary age kids. Indeed, any sensible person would agree that this sort of trans woke nonsense should be kept well away from impressionable school children, which is of course precisely why progressive lefties indoctrinate school children, they're impressionable. My only surprise is the government, a supposedly conservative government, allow schools to brainwash young impressionable children, it's scandal. And consider this; if this is what it's like under a Tory government, imagine what it would be like with BLM supporting, woke supporting left wing Starmer as prime minister. Has there ever been a worse time in post war Britain to be a child in this country? I think probably not.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 20, 2023 12:03:29 GMT
It's very simple anyone wanting the op, should be old enough to make an informed decision knowing full well that the surgery is irreversible and would leave them unable to have children.
Children are not old enough to make that choice and indoctrinating children in school does no good whatsoever.
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Post by see2 on Nov 20, 2023 12:43:23 GMT
I agree this isn't suitable for primary age kids. Indeed, any sensible person would agree that this sort of trans woke nonsense should be kept well away from impressionable school children, which is of course precisely why progressive lefties indoctrinate school children, they're impressionable. My only surprise is the government, a supposedly conservative government, allow schools to brainwash young impressionable children, it's scandal. And consider this; if this is what it's like under a Tory government, imagine what it would be like with BLM supporting, woke supporting left wing Starmer as prime minister. Has there ever been a worse time in post war Britain to be a child in this country? I think probably not. If you think only lefties are CONFUSED on this subject you are wrong, you in your rather arrogant approach are equally confused. In reading the posts so far I see a glaring absence of the obvious, i.e. IT IS THE PARENTS WHO NEED EDUCATING not the children. Better informed parents are the best people to deal with easing the problems of the child. Dictatorial parents who are unable to understand the problems of the child, will still do damage to the child, but sensible parents, helped by a better understanding of the human condition, will handle the problem with their children better than some well meaning equally single minded individual writing programmes of instructions for teachers. No one has an answer as to why some people feel they are in the wrong body, but it is not a recent so called woke problem, it goes back thousands of years.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 20, 2023 13:11:41 GMT
Indeed, any sensible person would agree that this sort of trans woke nonsense should be kept well away from impressionable school children, which is of course precisely why progressive lefties indoctrinate school children, they're impressionable. My only surprise is the government, a supposedly conservative government, allow schools to brainwash young impressionable children, it's scandal. And consider this; if this is what it's like under a Tory government, imagine what it would be like with BLM supporting, woke supporting left wing Starmer as prime minister. Has there ever been a worse time in post war Britain to be a child in this country? I think probably not. If you think only lefties are CONFUSED on this subject you are wrong, you in your rather arrogant approach are equally confused. In reading the posts so far I see a glaring absence of the obvious, i.e. IT IS THE PARENTS WHO NEED EDUCATING not the children. Better informed parents are the best people to deal with easing the problems of the child. Dictatorial parents who are unable to understand the problems of the child, will still do damage to the child, but sensible parents, helped by a better understanding of the human condition, will handle the problem with their children better than some well meaning equally single minded individual writing programmes of instructions for teachers. No one has an answer as to why some people feel they are in the wrong body, but it is not a recent so called woke problem, it goes back thousands of years. I don't for a moment think it's only lefties who are confused. A large proportion of society are politically ambivalent/ignorant. Some people have switched off from politics because they're sick of it, others were never interested in the first place. In my experience when it comes to politics a lot of young parents come under the heading 'not interested', some of them never watch the news they don't know what 'current affairs' means, in some cases they don't even know who the prime minister is, yet Starmer wants ballot boxes in schools! As for children being in the 'wrong body', this is woke nonsense it's absolute nonsense. Body dysmorphia affects an infinitesimally small percentage of people, yet schools ask children if they feel they're in the wrong body, they encourage children to think they're in the wrong body. This is nothing more than woke left wing teachers brainwashing impressionable children, it's wrong and it should be stopped.
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Post by dappy on Nov 20, 2023 13:30:50 GMT
Going back to the original post, I expected to find something that I could understand people being outraged by. All this seems to be is teaching kids in a safe environment a year before they reach senior school at or just before they reach puberty to be tolerant of others who may be different to you and who may be unsure of their sex or sexuality. Why would you not want kids to get this message?
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Post by see2 on Nov 20, 2023 14:31:04 GMT
If you think only lefties are CONFUSED on this subject you are wrong, you in your rather arrogant approach are equally confused. In reading the posts so far I see a glaring absence of the obvious, i.e. IT IS THE PARENTS WHO NEED EDUCATING not the children. Better informed parents are the best people to deal with easing the problems of the child. Dictatorial parents who are unable to understand the problems of the child, will still do damage to the child, but sensible parents, helped by a better understanding of the human condition, will handle the problem with their children better than some well meaning equally single minded individual writing programmes of instructions for teachers. No one has an answer as to why some people feel they are in the wrong body, but it is not a recent so called woke problem, it goes back thousands of years. As for children being in the 'wrong body', this is woke nonsense it's absolute nonsense. Body dysmorphia affects an infinitesimally small percentage of people, yet schools ask children if they feel they're in the wrong body, they encourage children to think they're in the wrong body. This is nothing more than woke left wing teachers brainwashing impressionable children, it's wrong and it should be stopped. I posted taking all responsibility for this away from teachers, educating the Parents, and let the parents deal with it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2023 16:09:33 GMT
Leftwing perverts have completely taken over the schools, whilst parents are literally being taken to court by the state for refusing to send their kids to school.
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