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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 18, 2023 13:35:05 GMT
Suddenly the hard right care about women's rights. Where's the outrage over men born with vaginas? Which toilet should they use? Do you want your daughters sharing a changing room with them? If they are born with vaginas then they are not men. I see the body snatchers have got you Monte So you are fine with one following your wife or daughter into the ladies?
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2023 13:36:17 GMT
If they are born with vaginas then they are not men. I see the body snatchers have got you Monte So you are fine with one following your wife or daughter into the ladies? Am I fine with biological women following other women into women’s toilets ? Pretty much .
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2023 13:53:40 GMT
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 18, 2023 13:54:08 GMT
So you are fine with one following your wife or daughter into the ladies? Am I fine with biological women following other women into women’s toilets ? Pretty much . So it's only 'men' that you think are sexual predators?
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2023 13:58:27 GMT
Am I fine with biological women following other women into women’s toilets ? Pretty much . So it's only 'men' that you think are sexual predators? Only biological women are women . Sexual predators are one part of the problem of indulging the delusion .
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 18, 2023 14:08:52 GMT
So it's only 'men' that you think are sexual predators? Only biological women are women . Sexual predators are one part of the problem of indulging the delusion . So a person who dresses like a woman should be forced to use the men's room and run the risk of running into someone like you who might confront them about their appearance? Can you understand how they might feel safer using the ladies?
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2023 14:15:05 GMT
Only biological women are women . Sexual predators are one part of the problem of indulging the delusion . So a person who dresses like a woman should be forced to use the men's room and run the risk of running into someone like you who might confront them about their appearance? Can you understand how they might feel safer using the ladies? They are not ladies .
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 18, 2023 14:17:32 GMT
So a person who dresses like a woman should be forced to use the men's room and run the risk of running into someone like you who might confront them about their appearance? Can you understand how they might feel safer using the ladies? They are not ladies . That's not what I asked. You're avoiding the question and just repeating tired old dogma.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2023 14:23:52 GMT
That's not what I asked. You're avoiding the question and just repeating tired old dogma. It’s not tired old dogma . It’s a fact that refutes the leftie lie that a man has to be considered a woman if he feels like it . You are using a fallacy called Appeal to consequences. Appeal to consequences, also known as argumentum ad consequentiam, is an argument that concludes a hypothesis to be either true or false based on whether the premise leads to desirable or undesirable consequences
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2023 14:50:44 GMT
I find it odd how lefties pontificate that 50% of the population are irrelevant , anyone see the bonkers nonsense Labours ridiculous ignoramous Lisa Nandy came out with? Men calling themselves women/girls are the most discriminated against groups according to her and she doesn't think body parts (as she puts it) matter. Some of us fail to see why you are so worried about it. After all, no one is going to cut your balls off, force you to wear a dress, and to change your name to Mary. It's compelled speech and child mutilation that is the problem.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 18, 2023 15:23:49 GMT
That's not what I asked. You're avoiding the question and just repeating tired old dogma. It’s not tired old dogma . It’s a fact that refutes the leftie lie that a man has to be considered a woman if he feels like it . You are using a fallacy called Appeal to consequences. Appeal to consequences, also known as argumentum ad consequentiam, is an argument that concludes a hypothesis to be either true or false based on whether the premise leads to desirable or undesirable consequences I'll try again. Can you understand how they might feel safer using the ladies?
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Post by Orac on Nov 18, 2023 15:30:22 GMT
Only biological women are women . Sexual predators are one part of the problem of indulging the delusion . Can you understand how they might feel safer using the ladies? Sure. However, their 'solution' comes at the expense of someone else - ie 50% of the population. For a while the default 'toilet solution' is 'don't ask don't tell' - that is, if you look like a woman nobody is going to check your genitalia on entry. If you don't scare anyone during your visit nobody is going to know or care. Your position is a learned (imitated) troll, a bit like insisting vehemently that car manufactures design small cars to accommodate people who are eight foot tall or wearing stilts
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2023 15:36:17 GMT
It’s not tired old dogma . It’s a fact that refutes the leftie lie that a man has to be considered a woman if he feels like it . You are using a fallacy called Appeal to consequences. Appeal to consequences, also known as argumentum ad consequentiam, is an argument that concludes a hypothesis to be either true or false based on whether the premise leads to desirable or undesirable consequences I'll try again. Can you understand how they might feel safer using the ladies? I can understand why a bloke that thinks he is a bear would want to take a piss in a zoo. It doesn’t make him a bear . Lies should not be seen as fact by using a fallacy . Want to try again?
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 18, 2023 15:42:44 GMT
I'll try again. Can you understand how they might feel safer using the ladies? I can understand why a bloke that thinks he is a bear would want to take a piss in a zoo. It doesn’t make him a bear . Lies should not be seen as fact by using a fallacy . Want to try again? Still avoiding the question. OK, I can't make you answer and I'm not getting into a never ending repetitive discussion about it so I'll just leave it.
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Post by sandypine on Nov 18, 2023 15:50:09 GMT
A conspiracy realistically only two people to work for it before it becomes a conspiracy, one of them may be misled by the other into what is teh desired outcome or the actual intent; that does not remove from being a conspiracy which requires a specific aim hidden from all others as the true intention. We know the left believe diversity is good, yet much evidence points to the fact that diversity has its disadvantages as well as its advantages. If these disadvantages are being deliberately hidden or downplayed by anyone with assistance it is a conspiracy. We know that comments are restricted where diversity in crime arises for 'community cohesion'. If the left believe that hiding something to keep the public in the dark as regards facts then that by any definition is a conspiracy. If you deny it happens then you are indeed living in an alternative reality. It is a similar tale for Multiculturalism. There have been instances where some left wingers were involved in a conspiracy of silence through fear of stoking racism, and that their assumption that certain ethnic or religious groups were inherent victims blinded them at times to evils a few of them might have been perpetrating. Most notably in the cases of the Pakistani paedophile gangs where a conspiracy of silence prevailed along with a marked reluctance to believe that victim groups could actually be perpetrators. It was certain that once known, far right racist extremists would use the issue to whip up hate, as they have done. Nevertheless this does not justify allowing such crimes to go unpunished. And cultural assumptions about non-muslim girls being fair game is something some on the left have been most reluctant to acknowledge. But I should also point out that utterly negative assumptions by the police that have nothing to do with the left, that these girls were low life individuals from the wrong side of the tracks and not worth wasting time on was a factor too. And the grooming gangs knew this which is why they targeted such girls. But congratulations. You have actually hit upon a bona fide example where a conspiracy of silence existed amongst some elements of the left. I however was never part of it and acknowledge that it happened and condemn it. But more generally this just reiterates another of my points about the nature of human psychology. We can all be potentially prone to it for the reasons I described in an earlier post, but most of the conspiracy thinking in recent years seems to be most obviously apparent on the right to everyone but themselves, perhaps because it is their long cherished beliefs which are most readily and increasingly often colliding with demonstrated reality. If it was only a conspiracy of silence. It however did involve many accusations of racism against those who raised the issue including some of the girls and even their kinfolk. The BNP raised the issue it was the BNP taken to court, Ann Cryer raised the issue and was condemned as a racist, others raise the issue and it is not all Muslims (how often have we heard that). We could move on to Multiculturalism where the same factors play a major part. Best not to report a problem as it destroys the myth of Multiculturalism being a success. The same factors play into immigration with the same levels of disinformation apparently organised to dispute that which people see with their own eyes. Do you remember the old QTs where someone would say 'immigration has enriched our country' and cue the vigorous clapping from many of the audience. I have not watched QT for a while now but I bet that that phrase is now rarely used, if ever, and it would not get the same reception I am sure.
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