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Post by Orac on Nov 16, 2023 11:58:31 GMT
If you placed the resident population in concentration camps, you could perhaps squeeze in twenty or thirty million more Eritrean brain surgeons or gay, Nigerian fraudsters.
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 16, 2023 12:12:04 GMT
Where in that link does it state that the council gave them the tent? The only mention of a tent is where the picky ( I'll only take a property if it's exactly where I want it to be - beggars can't be choosers) woman says they used their own tent. |
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Post by wapentake on Nov 16, 2023 13:13:33 GMT
Where in that link does it state that the council gave them the tent? The only mention of a tent is where the picky ( I'll only take a property if it's exactly where I want it to be - beggars can't be choosers) woman says they used their own tent. I didn’t say it did,what I said was that in the past councils have given homeless people tents. When you say picky that seems reasonable till you take in to account that the people referenced in the story both work and if you then move so far away will lose their jobs what would be the point of that you will have people then reliant on welfare. This is where the shortage of social housing comes in and the lack of infrastructure and the fact we have such people disadvantaged whilst we are spending millions on hotels for asylum seekers,to expand on that we have young people coming out of care turfed out on the street or at best put in touring caravans and in some cases narrow boats and left to their own devices. We have spent millions paying France and Rwanda with little or no effect it is not racist to say we should look to our own first and judging by what’s happening we aren’t. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 16, 2023 18:11:17 GMT
No international law says we had to invite migrants here. Or are you once again conflating illegal immigrants with people we invited. Of course there is. A refugee is invited by us to seek safety and that is an international agreement, modified by legal processes over the years. Not conflating the two at all but they both feed into a problem that you wish to solve by building houses but would be solved in a better way by stopping immigration and removal of illegal immigrants. Your solution is not a real one as it just keeps housing people coming here and is finite as the last piece of spare land on top of Ben Nevis is filled. If you try to make this another thread about asylum seekers I will ignore you. Illegal migrants and asylum seekers are a tiny part of the migrants we invite in every year. And they stay in hotels and barracks as you well know |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 16, 2023 18:13:20 GMT
I didn't - I have constantly voted against less immigration, however I keep getting outvoted by liberal progressives who want to import all the flotsam and jetsam of the third world. Those who vote against immigration are rarely outvoted, they are generally ignored by those who are actually voted in on prospectuses that nearly always include a distinct promise to address immigration and exert strict control. I would vote against further immigration. What do we do about the current situation? No one ever addresses that in any sensible way. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 16, 2023 18:16:00 GMT
Those who vote against immigration are rarely outvoted, they are generally ignored by those who are actually voted in on prospectuses that nearly always include a distinct promise to address immigration and exert strict control. I would vote against further immigration. What do we do about the current situation? No one ever addresses that in any sensible way. The floor is yours.. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 16, 2023 18:23:03 GMT
I said, then don't invite them. Right - but then you insist we concrete over the greenbelt to implicitly invite yet more Somalian rocket scientists - you also insist on a no holds barred asylum policy that would give about a billion people the right to enter and settle in the uk. The solution would simply be to refuse entry and stop inviting them. That's a complete solution btw Wrong. I don't insist we invite anyone either from Somalia or New Zealand. I have ALWAYS said I want no more people. Yet every year our government INVITES NOT ALLOWS OR IS FORCED TO ACCEPT BY LEFTIES around half a million people
To date our government have INVITED around 20 million to come and work and live here.
The housing shortage is not due to Lefties or Asylum seekers or international law. ITS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BUILT THE HOUSES WE WOULD NEED FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WE HAVE INVITED |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2023 18:29:24 GMT
Right - but then you insist we concrete over the greenbelt to implicitly invite yet more Somalian rocket scientists - you also insist on a no holds barred asylum policy that would give about a billion people the right to enter and settle in the uk. The solution would simply be to refuse entry and stop inviting them. That's a complete solution btw Wrong. I don't insist we invite anyone either from Somalia or New Zealand. I have ALWAYS said I want no more people. Yet every year our government INVITES NOT ALLOWS OR IS FORCED TO ACCEPT BY LEFTIES around half a million people To date our government have INVITED around 20 million to come and work and live here. The housing shortage is not due to Lefties or Asylum seekers or international law. ITS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BUILT THE HOUSES WE WOULD NEED FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WE HAVE INVITED You're breaking the rules of Mind Zone again. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 16, 2023 18:35:29 GMT
I would vote against further immigration. What do we do about the current situation? No one ever addresses that in any sensible way. The floor is yours.. Simple. Stop inviting anymore to come here and work. Build enough houses for those who already live here. To do this. 1, Accept taxes will need to rise as they will not be off set by a new batch of foreigners every year. 2, Release some agricultural land for building houses on. Restrict the price the land can be converted from agricultural to building to keep new house prices down. Oh and for the dimwits on here. Greenbelt also means this  |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 16, 2023 18:43:18 GMT
Simple. Stop inviting anymore to come here and work. Build enough houses for those who already live here. Well the first idea is not going to happen - all the major parties are wedded to mass immigration. As to your second point - how would you override local objections without any political repercussions?. For example the Tories suffered a huge by-election loss in Chesham and Amersham precisely because they were forcing through mass housebuilding against the wishes of the local populace. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 16, 2023 18:59:43 GMT
Simple. Stop inviting anymore to come here and work. Build enough houses for those who already live here. Well the first idea is not going to happen - all the major parties are wedded to mass immigration. As to your second point - how would you override local objections without any political repercussions?. For example the Tories suffered a huge by-election loss in Chesham and Amersham precisely because they were forcing through mass housebuilding against the wishes of the local populace. I didn't say it was going to happen, I said it was my solution. Second point. I would accept the political repercussions from a few wealthy people known as nimbies. But mostly I would build here. Not here.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2023 19:09:55 GMT
Is that your long-term solution? What about exponential population growth that will result from their five kids for social welfare? When will you actually accept that your ideas are insane?
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 16, 2023 19:19:49 GMT
Where in that link does it state that the council gave them the tent? The only mention of a tent is where the picky ( I'll only take a property if it's exactly where I want it to be - beggars can't be choosers) woman says they used their own tent. I didn’t say it did,what I said was that in the past councils have given homeless people tents. When you say picky that seems reasonable till you take in to account that the people referenced in the story both work and if you then move so far away will lose their jobs what would be the point of that you will have people then reliant on welfare. This is where the shortage of social housing comes in and the lack of infrastructure and the fact we have such people disadvantaged whilst we are spending millions on hotels for asylum seekers,to expand on that we have young people coming out of care turfed out on the street or at best put in touring caravans and in some cases narrow boats and left to their own devices. We have spent millions paying France and Rwanda with little or no effect it is not racist to say we should look to our own first and judging by what’s happening we aren’t.
Yeah ,picky, neither is tied to an office desk or a single place of work, one's a truck driver the other is a care worker if you can't afford to live in your desired precise location then you need to look where you can afford Beggars can't be choosers |
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Post by Orac on Nov 16, 2023 19:26:34 GMT
Right - but then you insist we concrete over the greenbelt to implicitly invite yet more Somalian rocket scientists - you also insist on a no holds barred asylum policy that would give about a billion people the right to enter and settle in the uk. The solution would simply be to refuse entry and stop inviting them. That's a complete solution btw Saying the stuff we have isn't enough for the people we invite is the same as saying we invite too many for the stuff we have. Yet for some reason, you always lay the blame on our supposedly inadequate provision, rather than our (clearly) over-adequate invitations. There is a reason for that imho. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 16, 2023 19:35:08 GMT
Simple. Stop inviting anymore to come here and work. Build enough houses for those who already live here. To do this. 1, Accept taxes will need to rise as they will not be off set by a new batch of foreigners every year. 2, Release some agricultural land for building houses on. Restrict the price the land can be converted from agricultural to building to keep new house prices down. 1) Foreigners do not reduce taxes. In fact, i suspect the mass immigration is one of the social forces behind the gigantic public sector bloat (make-work schemes). 2) This may or may not be needed. The first step is to stem this absurd and unsustainable influx. Doing it the other way around is pointless and dishonest. |
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