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Post by Pacifico on Nov 16, 2023 7:37:53 GMT
The UK population in 1990 was 57 Million - now its 67 million - entirely driven by immigration. What did people expect? 10 million more homes! Where - nobody wants more homes near them and as England already the most densely populated country in Europe there is a distinct lack of places. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 16, 2023 7:40:01 GMT
Where - nobody wants more homes near them and as England already the most densely populated country in Europe there is a distinct lack of places. Then don't invite 100 million people to live here. Its simple enough even for you. If you invite 20 people to stay at your house you better make sure you have 20 extra beds. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 16, 2023 7:43:24 GMT
There is that logic again.
Because we do invite them, we are obliged to build more houses to encourage yet more. This is how zany pretends to be against more immigration while, at the same time, continuously agitating for more immigration.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 16, 2023 7:46:32 GMT
Where - nobody wants more homes near them and as England already the most densely populated country in Europe there is a distinct lack of places. Then don't invite 100 million people to live here. Its simple enough even for you. If you invite 20 people to stay at your house you better make sure you have 20 extra beds. I didn't - I have constantly voted against less immigration, however I keep getting outvoted by liberal progressives who want to import all the flotsam and jetsam of the third world. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 16, 2023 7:47:23 GMT
Rough sleepers may not be homeless and homeless people may not be sleeping rough. I would have thought that was obvious but hey ho let us tell some lies as regards Suella. Have you any idea how stupid that sounds. People living in tents on the street. Only if you have an inability to follow a definition. A homeless person is one who has no fixed home and no ability or desire to rent, he may sleep rough, he may sleep in hostels or B&bs, he may sofa surf. This may apply to women and children. A rough sleeper is one who is sleeping rough, he may have a home available but may not go there due to a multitude of reasons from behaviour to choice. In terms of a Venn diagram homeless and rough sleepers intersect to an unknown degree but they are not necessarily one and the same, which of course was the point I made. Braverman referred to rough sleepers as far as I recall, that was changed to homeless people by those who wished to make mischief. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 16, 2023 7:51:12 GMT
Then don't invite 100 million people to live here. Its simple enough even for you. If you invite 20 people to stay at your house you better make sure you have 20 extra beds. I didn't - I have constantly voted against less immigration, however I keep getting outvoted by liberal progressives who want to import all the flotsam and jetsam of the third world. Those who vote against immigration are rarely outvoted, they are generally ignored by those who are actually voted in on prospectuses that nearly always include a distinct promise to address immigration and exert strict control. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 16, 2023 7:53:23 GMT
Where - nobody wants more homes near them and as England already the most densely populated country in Europe there is a distinct lack of places. Then don't invite 100 million people to live here. Its simple enough even for you. If you invite 20 people to stay at your house you better make sure you have 20 extra beds. We do not, we are told we have to by International law that few obey except us and many other rather nefarious reasons. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 16, 2023 8:06:04 GMT
There is that logic again. Because we do invite them, we are obliged to build more houses to encourage yet more. This is how zany pretends to be against more immigration while, at the same time, continuously agitating for more immigration. I said, then don't invite them. But if you do you need to build houses for them. Worse than we have already invited them, so what's your solution to that other than moan about it? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 16, 2023 8:08:26 GMT
Then don't invite 100 million people to live here. Its simple enough even for you. If you invite 20 people to stay at your house you better make sure you have 20 extra beds. We do not, we are told we have to by International law that few obey except us and many other rather nefarious reasons. No international law says we had to invite migrants here. Or are you once again conflating illegal immigrants with people we invited. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 16, 2023 8:09:19 GMT
There is that logic again. Because we do invite them, we are obliged to build more houses to encourage yet more. This is how zany pretends to be against more immigration while, at the same time, continuously agitating for more immigration. I said, then don't invite them. But if you do you need to build houses for them. Worse than we have already invited them, so what's your solution to that other than moan about it? What about those we have not invited (unknown number certainly 100s of thousands possibly over 1 million) and who are taking up space that could be occupied by those we have invited or those who were here already. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 16, 2023 8:10:34 GMT
Then don't invite 100 million people to live here. Its simple enough even for you. If you invite 20 people to stay at your house you better make sure you have 20 extra beds. I didn't - I have constantly voted against less immigration, however I keep getting outvoted by liberal progressives who want to import all the flotsam and jetsam of the third world. I know YOU didn't, but I'm not asking YOU to build 10 million homes. We are talking about the people who run our country. Anyway they're here now. We could stop any new ones but what is your solution for those we already invited to stay, other than moaning about it? |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 16, 2023 8:14:37 GMT
We do not, we are told we have to by International law that few obey except us and many other rather nefarious reasons. No international law says we had to invite migrants here. Or are you once again conflating illegal immigrants with people we invited. Of course there is. A refugee is invited by us to seek safety and that is an international agreement, modified by legal processes over the years. Not conflating the two at all but they both feed into a problem that you wish to solve by building houses but would be solved in a better way by stopping immigration and removal of illegal immigrants. Your solution is not a real one as it just keeps housing people coming here and is finite as the last piece of spare land on top of Ben Nevis is filled. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 16, 2023 9:29:07 GMT
There is that logic again. Because we do invite them, we are obliged to build more houses to encourage yet more. This is how zany pretends to be against more immigration while, at the same time, continuously agitating for more immigration. I said, then don't invite them. Right - but then you insist we concrete over the greenbelt to implicitly invite yet more Somalian rocket scientists - you also insist on a no holds barred asylum policy that would give about a billion people the right to enter and settle in the uk. The solution would simply be to refuse entry and stop inviting them. That's a complete solution btw |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2023 10:13:47 GMT
More absolute rubbish from you. Where is your evidence for an authoritarian far left guard in power? The left have not been anywhere near power for decades. And we have the misery and destitution now in our once great nation to prove it. Since 2010 there have been nothing but a bunch of ever more right wing headbangers really in charge, all in cahoots with a right wing media complex and business elite running the country in their own interests. They get away with this due to too many delusional twats lapping up what they are spoonfed. All that is wrong with this country is all somehow the fault of the left, or the EU, or liberal establishment conspiracies, or remainers. When in fact any sensible person can figure out that the state of the nation today lies at the door of those actually running it, not anybody but the ones in charge. Yet you and the others are becoming ever more obviously delusional because you cannot see that, you choose to believe the shite the wealthy elites tell you so it must be some other prats fault. You're obviously very emotionally unstable and can't respond without being 100% abusive. This tallies with all I know about the far-left. The fact that the police are following an authoritarian far-left agenda is described in the article that upset you. YOu can scream, cuss, troll and spam all you like.
YOUR APPROVAL IS NOT REQUIRED.
No, a few guffaws of laughter is the only response required. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 16, 2023 11:51:25 GMT
I didn't - I have constantly voted against less immigration, however I keep getting outvoted by liberal progressives who want to import all the flotsam and jetsam of the third world. I know YOU didn't, but I'm not asking YOU to build 10 million homes. We are talking about the people who run our country. Anyway they're here now. We could stop any new ones but what is your solution for those we already invited to stay, other than moaning about it? The people who run the country are the same people who listen to their constituents and campaign against more housebuilding. Short of scrapping democracy I don't see what anyone can do about it. |
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