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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2023 18:14:40 GMT
So you have just proposed a half baked solution after telling others they are doing it ?😁 You're welcome to your opinion, but without any fleshing out it’s just the opinion of someone who enjoys being rude for the sake of it. Pointing out you hypocrisy is not being rude . You have no idea where these centres would be located . You have no idea how to deal with the migrants who fail. In fact you have no idea . Yet you like to project that to others . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2023 18:16:16 GMT
Not if they are in a secure compound. So remove any benefits and lock them up? Presumably until they starve to death? Why would they stave to death ? Secure compounds can contain and distribute food. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 18, 2023 18:26:27 GMT
Not if they are in a secure compound. So remove any benefits and lock them up? Presumably until they starve to death? Don't be daft, Zany. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2023 19:44:55 GMT
So remove any benefits and lock them up? Presumably until they starve to death? Don't be daft, Zany. Explain? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 18, 2023 20:27:50 GMT
Self explanatory unless one is exceptionally dim. Or pretending to be.
And I doubt that even you are that dim, Zany.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2023 20:39:30 GMT
Self explanatory unless one is exceptionally dim. Or pretending to be. And I doubt that even you are that dim, Zany. Yes I think so. You hadn't thought before making a throw away comment, so now you need to dance around it. Is that it? Either you lock them up with food, education for their children, healthcare etc. Presumably for life. Or you lock them up with nothing and watch them starve. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 18, 2023 21:50:07 GMT
like watching someone playing darts while pretending to be drunk and hitting everything in the room except the board.
It's amusing at first and then you begin to wonder if they are all there upstairs
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 18, 2023 21:52:52 GMT
I have wondered that for some time.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2023 22:32:46 GMT
I have wondered that for some time. Thank god Orac stepped in and let you off answering. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 18, 2023 23:00:07 GMT
I have wondered that for some time. Thank god Orac stepped in and let you off answering. Some people just cannot help themselves when they think they are around the master race. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2023 7:05:14 GMT
like watching someone playing darts while pretending to be drunk and hitting everything in the room except the board. It's amusing at first and then you begin to wonder if they are all there upstairs They hide behind their own self-praise as a defence mechanism. It's quite fanatical at times. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2023 11:11:56 GMT
The ones that fail etc do whatever they want, they just don't do it in the UK Where is more tricky. But Rwanda seems willing. Do you agree to the centres in Rwanda? Rwanda is a dictatorship run by the same man for three decades, which imprisons political opponents and is perfectly okay with torturing them. It is a safe country only in the sense that Mussolini's Italy was a safe country. But then the Tories back in the day loved him too before he sided with Hitler |
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Post by Orac on Nov 19, 2023 11:30:30 GMT
Do you agree to the centres in Rwanda? Rwanda is a dictatorship run by the same man for three decades, which imprisons political opponents and is perfectly okay with torturing them. It is a safe country only in the sense that Mussolini's Italy was a safe country. But then the Tories back in the day loved him too before he sided with Hitler Sure. However, the idea of asylum is not to provide perfect safety in a perfect democracy, it is to provide a temporary refuge from an overwhelming and unbearable threat that has to fled. In terms of refugee status, Rwanda is considered 'safe' (ie safe enough not to have to flee from) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2023 11:36:12 GMT
It is a safe country only in the sense that Mussolini's Italy was a safe country. But then the Tories back in the day loved him too before he sided with Hitler He was a member of the Italian Socialist Party and a Revolutionary party before the collectivist Fascist party. 
The Left loved him and his writing. Obviously he had a fall out with the socialists over the war (socialists were divided over it), and when he came back from the horrors of WW1 he seemed to believe the Socialists were whiney pussies. I dunno, maybe he was just another lefty who went mad?
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Post by zanygame on Nov 19, 2023 11:36:37 GMT
Do you agree to the centres in Rwanda? Rwanda is a dictatorship run by the same man for three decades, which imprisons political opponents and is perfectly okay with torturing them. It is a safe country only in the sense that Mussolini's Italy was a safe country. But then the Tories back in the day loved him too before he sided with Hitler I'm only talking about an application centre. TBH most of it could be done from a mobile phone online from anywhere. I think the far bigger issue is re-writing the rules on who can count as a refugee. With over 100million displaced people in the world it is becoming increasingly obvious that countries are looking for ways to avoid meeting their obligations rather than consider legally challenging what those obligations should be with powerful global bodies. I fear the net result will be an increasing number of countries simply pulling out of the human rights conventions and that helps no one, not even the most deserving. |
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