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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2023 17:04:05 GMT
We already agreed that Sandy. We both want further immigration stopped, England is full. I am talking about building enough homes for those already here. That is where we digress, I was just providing greater context on your figures which give the impression that 98% of land is available for building new homes, it is not. I never gave that impression. I gave very precise numbers 2% built on 14% urbanised. Or (8.7% is developed use and 91% agricultural, if that's an easier number to work with) Fact is there is plenty of land to build enough homes for our current population. There are 26 million homes in the Uk. Its estimated we need 1 million more. So: 26m= 11% so 1m requires 0.0000004% more. Not sure we should. Maybe a few genuine asylum seekers, but I am talking about those we invited here. I think I've mentioned this before a few times now. . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 18, 2023 17:04:41 GMT
Cooperation with other countries to deter or reduce immigration just hasn’t worked . The next step should be to reduce the incentive to enter the UK . Indeed.
We could start by withdrawing housing and handouts.
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Post by Orac on Nov 18, 2023 17:05:43 GMT
How can their claim be assessed if they do not state what it is? Exactly. No claim should be processed without proof of identity and nationality. Common sense at last. Without it there is no basis for a claim. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2023 17:08:56 GMT
Cooperation with other countries to deter or reduce immigration just hasn’t worked . The next step should be to reduce the incentive to enter the UK . Indeed.
We could start by withdrawing housing and handouts.
Indeed. Why would an immigrant pay traffickers for no return ? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 18, 2023 17:10:27 GMT
Quite. The French clearly provide them fuck all - which is why they don't want to stay in France.
I'd say there's an obvious lesson there.
We don't need Rwanda, we just need to stop the handouts.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2023 17:21:09 GMT
They don't tell you from whence they came and other countries wont take them without proof of citizenship. How can their claim be assessed if they do not state what it is? They can't. Its why so many are in semi permanent hotels etc. They are told if they hang out a few years they will get an amnesty and be given a life here. We know the government have done this in the past, but probably wont do it again because it just drives more to come. Yet still the myth continues and more come. Still the conditions they come from are worse than what they get here and unless you are willing to make their lives here as bad as they are at home. That is why I keep suggesting that we move asylum application offshore. Nobody who doesn't deserve asylum gets to come to the promised land. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2023 17:21:11 GMT
Just how weak ineffectual and incompetent does an Island nation have to be for it’s government not have will or ability to protect its borders .
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2023 17:23:35 GMT
How can their claim be assessed if they do not state what it is? Exactly. No claim should be processed without proof of identity and nationality. They aren't. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2023 17:25:49 GMT
Just how weak ineffectual and incompetent does an Island nation have to be for it’s government not have will or ability to protect its borders . More moans without solutions. How. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 18, 2023 17:27:07 GMT
That is where we digress, I was just providing greater context on your figures which give the impression that 98% of land is available for building new homes, it is not. I never gave that impression. I gave very precise numbers 2% built on 14% urbanised. Or (8.7% is developed use and 91% agricultural, if that's an easier number to work with) Fact is there is plenty of land to build enough homes for our current population. There are 26 million homes in the Uk. Its estimated we need 1 million more. So: 26m= 11% so 1m requires 0.0000004% more. Not sure we should. Maybe a few genuine asylum seekers, but I am talking about those we invited here. I think I've mentioned this before a few times now. . But 91% is not agricultural and there is a difference between agricultural and arable and you are referring to arable land by the green belt. I think your maths is a bit out above. More like 0.4% of the country. I never mentioned genuine asylum seekers I referred to those who have failed and those who have never claimed. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2023 17:27:47 GMT
Quite. The French clearly provide them fuck all - which is why they don't want to stay in France. I'd say there's an obvious lesson there. We don't need Rwanda, we just need to stop the handouts. The French take more than we do. The ones that come here do so because they want to. So we stop handouts and? |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 18, 2023 17:29:02 GMT
How can their claim be assessed if they do not state what it is? They can't. Its why so many are in semi permanent hotels etc. They are told if they hang out a few years they will get an amnesty and be given a life here. We know the government have done this in the past, but probably wont do it again because it just drives more to come. Yet still the myth continues and more come. Still the conditions they come from are worse than what they get here and unless you are willing to make their lives here as bad as they are at home. That is why I keep suggesting that we move asylum application offshore. Nobody who doesn't deserve asylum gets to come to the promised land. Realistically they should be in detention centres that are not necessarily pleasant places to be. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2023 17:30:18 GMT
Just how weak ineffectual and incompetent does an Island nation have to be for it’s government not have will or ability to protect its borders . More moans without solutions. How. Lol. I’ve already told you . You seem to be the one moaning . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 18, 2023 17:31:17 GMT
Quite. The French clearly provide them fuck all - which is why they don't want to stay in France. I'd say there's an obvious lesson there. We don't need Rwanda, we just need to stop the handouts. The French take more than we do. The ones that come here do so because they want to. So we stop handouts and? Fewer will come. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 18, 2023 17:38:52 GMT
I never gave that impression. I gave very precise numbers 2% built on 14% urbanised. Or (8.7% is developed use and 91% agricultural, if that's an easier number to work with) Fact is there is plenty of land to build enough homes for our current population. There are 26 million homes in the Uk. Its estimated we need 1 million more. So: 26m= 11% so 1m requires 0.0000004% more. Not sure we should. Maybe a few genuine asylum seekers, but I am talking about those we invited here. I think I've mentioned this before a few times now. . But 91% is not agricultural and there is a difference between agricultural and arable and you are referring to arable land by the green belt. I think your maths is a bit out above. More like 0.4% of the country. Whether there's a difference between agricultural and arable is academic. only 11% is urban. That 11% contains 26 million homes plus all the factories, shops, schools, hospitals etc. Yes 0.4% is correct, my error. So another million homes needed increases the urbanised area to 11.4%. How are we providing homes for those who have never claimed? How do there numbers compare to the 20 million we have invited to live here? |
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