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Post by sandypine on Nov 14, 2023 14:55:06 GMT
When Cameron deserted his post last time round he awarded an OBE to his wife's hairdresser in his resignation honours awards. The Conservative Party are now toast and deserve to be, the rot started with Cameron and he is now back to dance on the ashes, leaving us with Starmer, Butler, Lammy, Raynor and Thornbury, what a mess, it is just a shame Nigel is in the jungle, I will look forward to his analysis in due course. It does not have to be that way, there are many alternatives to vote for, all we have to do is change the minds of a largely disenchanted British electorate to make that change. I am fast approaching the opinion that anything is better than Labour or the LibDems and runner up in that view is anything but Labour or teh LibDems is better than the current Tories. Hell I forget the Greens they should head the list. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 14, 2023 15:15:42 GMT
This is incredible, Sunak is absolutely tone deaf. Cameron isn't even an MP ffs, he's been fast tracked into the Lords so he can be appointed secretary of state by the back door. This is EU style democracy and will be a very unpopular appointment not only with Tory Brexiteers but also with Labour voters who voted for Brexit. Cameron is like Sunak, they are both centrist conservatives. According to Savanta just 24% of people have a positive opinion of Cameron. This is great news for Richard Tice and Reform. The problem you have under FPTP is that anything that is great for Reform is going to be brilliant for Labour. Reform is never going to get enough votes anywhere to win any seats and if you think they will you are kidding yourself. But the better they do, the more votes they steal from the Tories, the bigger the landslide Labour is likely to get. This is the trouble with FPTP. Doing what your heart tells you just makes it more likely that your head will end up with a terrible political hangover and an even worse outcome than what you had before, in your eyes. Well to be fair, supporters of PR said UKIP would never get anywhere under FPTP, but they achieved their aim, they forced a referendum. Regardless of the voting system the government can not ignore a party who is polling 12.7% of the popular vote. Under FPTP UKIP succeeded in their aim of forcing a referendum. People are fed up with globalist centrist/centre left politics but that's all we're going to get with Labour and the Tories. People want something different and I think Reform just might be it. Of course, time will tell. |
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Post by bancroft on Nov 14, 2023 15:24:42 GMT
Foreign office with Gaza and Israel may well be a poisoned challenge, Cameron is normally a good politician so should be a pair of safe hands.
This should bring back some of the Tories to support Sunak though the Brexit mob will be watching carefully. I think by the end of January the govt will get some good news which will placate the Brexit group somewhat but won't say here. Politics can be a strange game, after all the previously outspoken Steve Baker now in his N.I role no longer supports Brexit. I don't see that we have any influence in what happens in the Middle East - so the performance of the Foreign Secretary in that scenario is pretty irrelevant. It is not about us having influence in the Middle East it is about us being on song with the USA who since Brexit are our 'friends' as the EU clearly are not. We need friends. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 14, 2023 16:05:22 GMT
There never was WMDs . It was a lie . Depends what you mean by WMD but Allivane International sold rather a lot of stuff later classified as such to him while creating paperwork claiming it was being sold to Saudi, and the evidence is on a Lloyds Bank Computer in Birmingham where the Expirt Credit Guarantee Dept account was held. |
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Post by om15 on Nov 14, 2023 16:14:02 GMT
I suspect the core of Reform voters may well be those who were disillusioned with Labour last time round and gave the Conservatives such a large red wall majority. Much hinges on whether Farage gets off the fence and leads Reform, Richard Tice is not a natural leader, his dreadful sunday sermons are awful and I can't see much to attract people at the moment.
Whilst we watch Sunak destroying the Tory Party we mustn't overlook that Starmer has failed to impress anyone with anything, his party is riven with anti semitism and haven't yet indicated how they intend to address any of the major problems.
I see the immigration situation worsening next year, France and Germany have had enough, I suspected more may be directed from Europe over here, if you own a 5 star hotel nice work if you can get it, there will be more anti semitism on the streets and the Police, BBC, and civil service will now consider themselves free to be as woke and left wing as they choose to be.
If Sunal felt that he needed some mature support he should have chosen Norman Tebbit to come back.
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Post by see2 on Nov 14, 2023 16:37:52 GMT
There never was WMDs . It was a lie . So why was Blix and the UN inspectors still looking for them in March 2003? |
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Post by om15 on Nov 14, 2023 16:42:51 GMT
Because, unsurprisingly, they hadn't found them before.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 14, 2023 16:43:50 GMT
There never was WMDs . It was a lie . So why was Blix and the UN inspectors still looking for them in March 2003? Because they hadn’t found them ffs. Things that aren’t there are very hard to find 🙄 |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 14, 2023 16:46:07 GMT
Cameron might not think he is but he is on probation.
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Post by sheepy on Nov 14, 2023 16:57:56 GMT
We have our beady eye on you call me Dave, at the moment your position is not popular amongst the masses.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 14, 2023 18:24:53 GMT
So at the next election we have a choice between Cameroonian Liberal centerism and Blairite Liberal centerism.. yay.. a return to 2010..  |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 14, 2023 18:31:52 GMT
So at the next election we have a choice between Cameroonian Liberal centerism and Blairite Liberal centerism.. yay.. a return to 2010.. I hear that it might be good for Samantha’s failing fashion business . So it’s not all bad |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 14, 2023 18:33:48 GMT
So at the next election we have a choice between Cameroonian Liberal centerism and Blairite Liberal centerism.. yay.. a return to 2010.. We tried right wing popularism and it failed dreadfully. 5 PMs and 7 Home secretaries since shooting ourselves in the foot in 2016. Going back to the centre will be a relief. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 14, 2023 22:34:48 GMT
So at the next election we have a choice between Cameroonian Liberal centerism and Blairite Liberal centerism.. yay.. a return to 2010.. We tried right wing popularism and it failed dreadfully. 5 PMs and 7 Home secretaries since shooting ourselves in the foot in 2016. Going back to the centre will be a relief.we have had the centre for last 13 years monte - name one thing thing that the Tories have done that would be a conservative policy? |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 14, 2023 22:37:16 GMT
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