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Post by Pacifico on Nov 16, 2023 17:14:57 GMT
Is the right answer. I'm an investor and I expect to see a return on my investment. Your position is not the quid pro quo. And if I don't get a return then I don't invest and the workforce will find themselves out of a job. Your position is not in dispute. If you had followed the thread you would have known I was referring to a particular period in history, i.e. the period when Wilson offered financial help to industry, there was a complaint at that time that businesses were paying out all their profits to investors at the expense of reinvestment and maintenance of machinery. Do you not think that a 98% tax rate on investment income might not have had rather more to do with the dearth of investment in the UK at that time? |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 17, 2023 10:58:01 GMT
Rishi Sunak's Tories in 'total freefall' as poll predicts 303-seat loss and Reform surge.
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 17, 2023 11:17:09 GMT
How many seats is this Reform surge going to return? |
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Post by dappy on Nov 17, 2023 11:20:37 GMT
The article suggests the Reform “surge” is an increase of 1% from 7 to 8. Be afraid be very afraid…..
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 17, 2023 11:25:11 GMT
The article suggests the Reform “surge” is an increase of 1% from 7 to 8. Be afraid be very afraid….. There used to be talk like that about the Fib Dems too! Lol |
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Post by om15 on Nov 17, 2023 11:33:59 GMT
It is going to be another UKIP situation, a couple of million votes and only one seat, I can't see Reform taking off unless Farage steps in and leads it, but rumour has it that he might be getting back into bed with the Tories.
It looks like Labour will have a landslide like we have never seen before.
1970 here we come.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 17, 2023 11:47:40 GMT
How many seats is this Reform surge going to return? Dunno until the next GE. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 17, 2023 11:54:50 GMT
How many seats is this Reform surge going to return? And that's the nub: Probably fuck all.
We don't live in a democracy but, like UKIP, at least it sends a message.
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 17, 2023 11:56:34 GMT
How many seats is this Reform surge going to return? Dunno until the next GE. Well,according to the poll that you quoted, the answer was... ..zero. I presume you read the article before you posted it? |
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Post by dappy on Nov 17, 2023 12:04:13 GMT
Hypothetical question for those currently intending to vote Reform.
If the Tories bought off Reform by offering them safe Tory seats (if they exist) at the next election and hence the chance to have a role in the post election civil war, would you then cote Tory or switch your vote to UKIP or Reclaim or one of the others?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2023 14:10:09 GMT
IF - as the topic title suggests, Tory voters are flocking to Reform, and not Labour, then how is it that suddenly the Labour lead has suddenly widened in EVERY poll published in the last week. ?
THe latest poll published this morning (Friday) by TechneUK ....
LAB: 46% (-)
CON: 22% (-3)
LDEM: 11% (+1)
REF: 8% (+1)
GRN: 7% (-)
For those that do not understand polling, polling MUST account for the current state of play, for example a constituency with a Tory MP with 42% of the vote, and Labour 37%, Lib Dems on 12%, and Brexit on 5% then the chances for Reform are ZERO of winning the seat, as things are this seat would be taken by Labour.
For Reform to attain just one MP, it would require a minimum of a 10% swing in only two places where The Brexit Party did really well and came in second at the 2019 General Election - Barnsley East and Barnsley Central, no where else did The Brexit Party come second.
The very highest number achieved in any poll for Reform is 11 points, the average appears to be between 5 and 8
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 17, 2023 14:45:00 GMT
IF - as the topic title suggests, Tory voters are flocking to Reform, and not Labour, then how is it that suddenly the Labour lead has suddenly widened in EVERY poll published in the last week. ? Except that the poll you quote shows a loss of 3% Tory, but no increase for Labour? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 17, 2023 16:31:58 GMT
Hypothetical question for those currently intending to vote Reform. If the Tories bought off Reform by offering them safe Tory seats (if they exist) at the next election and hence the chance to have a role in the post election civil war, would you then cote Tory or switch your vote to UKIP or Reclaim or one of the others? Ok, I'll play. I'd switch.
Only this week we've seen just how easy it is to get rid of those not on message with the centre left.
In fact, it's been the story of this government: The electorate vote for one thing, which then gets replaced with a whole other agenda.
So give seats to Reform candidates and then bin them off?
No thanks. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...  |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 17, 2023 16:32:19 GMT
IF - as the topic title suggests, Tory voters are flocking to Reform, and not Labour, then how is it that suddenly the Labour lead has suddenly widened in EVERY poll published in the last week. ? Except that the poll you quote shows a loss of 3% Tory, but no increase for Labour? Doh!
Stupid fiddler.
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 17, 2023 16:42:44 GMT
IF - as the topic title suggests, Tory voters are flocking to Reform, and not Labour, then how is it that suddenly the Labour lead has suddenly widened in EVERY poll published in the last week. ? THe latest poll published this morning (Friday) by TechneUK .... LAB: 46% (-)
CON: 22% (-3)
LDEM: 11% (+1)
REF: 8% (+1)
GRN: 7% (-)For those that do not understand polling, polling MUST account for the current state of play, for example a constituency with a Tory MP with 42% of the vote, and Labour 37%, Lib Dems on 12%, and Brexit on 5% then the chances for Reform are ZERO of winning the seat, as things are this seat would be taken by Labour. For Reform to attain just one MP, it would require a minimum of a 10% swing in only two places where The Brexit Party did really well and came in second at the 2019 General Election - Barnsley East and Barnsley Central, no where else did The Brexit Party come second. The very highest number achieved in any poll for Reform is 11 points, the average appears to be between 5 and 8 So that's 94% where have 6% gone? |
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