Tory voters are deserting to Reform UK - not Labour

Why would I be envious? I'm in that category and some. 

So the EU (with their high rates of taxation) is doing well compared to the US (with their lower rates)?

..are you sure?


In 2008, the eurozone and the US had equivalent gross domestic products (GDP) at current prices of $14.2 trillion and $14.8 trillion respectively (€13.1 trillion and €13.6 trillion). Fifteen years on, the eurozone's GDP is just over $15 trillion, while US GDP has soared to $26.9 trillion.



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Before Kinnock there was Poor old Michael foot who gave a leg up to Thatcher. It would surely be impossible for any reasonably acceptable Labour Leader not to increase voter backing once Foot had gone.

Blair came to office with an outstanding majority, it was always likely that he would have his majority reduced, partly because of the incessant chipping away of reality by biased newspapers like the Mail and the Express and partly because some voters disagreed with some of his moves. The persistent lies about the invasion of Iraq didn't help.

Nevertheless New Labour left office under the bombardment of lies and insinuated lies, that they were to blame for the International Financial Meltdown. Even then the electors appeared to be somewhat confused as they were unable to give the Tories a majority. I think that revealed a liking for New Labour, otherwise after 13 years in office they would have been annihilated at the election.

Variation in votes are often down to circumstances that affect voter turn out. Everything has to be taken into account, not just headline figures. 

every single post you waffle on about the financial meltdown , and I point out again the fact of the matter is Blair , in his 2005 victory , had lost new labour 4 million votes from his 1997 victory , long before any financial crash.

you can keep trying miserably to slip in the financial crash to any and every discussion of the disaster of the new labour years that you like , but it doesn't detract from the fact Blair and new labour were in trouble long before any financial crash.

From the Michael foot years to Blairs victory in 97 , the labour vote increased each election , but since Blair 97 victory , to millibands loss in 2015 , the labour vote decreased , due largely to the blairite cult and triangulation , not socialism.

Corbyn in 2017 increased labours general election vote for the first time in two decades to a respectable number , and he then lost in 2019 , to two main factors....the relentless back stabbing from the blairites in your party ,including starmer , and his failure to back Brexit when the tories jumped on the eurosceptic bandwagon.

If starmer does win , it won't be because of the peoples love of blairism , but as has been said , because he will simply fall into place off the back of sunaks dire unpopularity. You merely need to scratch the Blaire myths and historical revisionism and watch the pack of cards crumble.

Ok fair enough but Blair’s departure came with previously unheard of levels of collapse in political engagement and the empowerment of those of political opinion many found unsavoury (like Clegg) so it comes as no surprise to me party membership tanked.

While see 2 waffles about the financial crash , and defends the Iraq war , bear in mind as well 3 million of those four million labour voters were lost by 2001 , prior to Iraq never mind the crash. Within months of his election , in 1997 , the media were full of headlines such as `ever feel you have been cheated` regarding the snake that is Blair.