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Post by thomas on Dec 31, 2023 14:19:29 GMT
While see 2 waffles about the financial crash , and defends the Iraq war , bear in mind as well 3 million of those four million labour voters were lost by 2001 , prior to Iraq never mind the crash. Within months of his election , in 1997 , the media were full of headlines such as `ever feel you have been cheated` regarding the snake that is Blair. i confess i was too busy looking elsewhere making money to watch what this piece of shit was up to. Locally though it was 2005 when the Official Bring A Bottle (to the end of the world) Party, and in London Peter Kellner’s Your Party were launched that i really saw his popularity tank. you have to admit though John Wales is a bit of an outlier , where the welsh just simply can't break a habit of a lifetime when it comes to voting in labour despite the mess on every level that labour has made to devolved Wales in the last quarter century. So it's no surprise that Blairs unpopularity took a while to reach our sleepy welsh cousins. I think we agreed previously , that both us and our families were much worse off during the Blair years. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 31, 2023 14:38:52 GMT
i confess i was too busy looking elsewhere making money to watch what this piece of shit was up to. Locally though it was 2005 when the Official Bring A Bottle (to the end of the world) Party, and in London Peter Kellner’s Your Party were launched that i really saw his popularity tank. you have to admit though John Wales is a bit of an outlier , where the welsh just simply can't break a habit of a lifetime when it comes to voting in labour despite the mess on every level that labour has made to devolved Wales in the last quarter century. So it's no surprise that Blairs unpopularity took a while to reach our sleepy welsh cousins. I think we agreed previously , that both us and our families were much worse off during the Blair years. As far as I'm aware the English, Scottish and Welsh NHS were run separately and independently. There are at least three areas where Blair/New Labour benefitted the majority in England, they are 1. the much needed rescue of the NHS that benefitted the not so rich who couldn't afford private health. 2. State education, the majority of which had suffered badly from serious underfunding thanks to Thatcher's Grant Maintained system of funding. and 3. But for the Meltdown the number of unemployed would have been lower than when New Labour were elected in 1997. There is absolutely no doubt that there were many other positives under Blair I just can't be bothered to research them all over again. |
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Post by thomas on Dec 31, 2023 14:47:18 GMT
you have to admit though John Wales is a bit of an outlier , where the welsh just simply can't break a habit of a lifetime when it comes to voting in labour despite the mess on every level that labour has made to devolved Wales in the last quarter century. So it's no surprise that Blairs unpopularity took a while to reach our sleepy welsh cousins. I think we agreed previously , that both us and our families were much worse off during the Blair years. As far as I'm aware the English, Scottish and Welsh NHS were run separately and independently. that's correct , and the labour run welsh NHS has traditionally been the worst of the three since devolution started. What's your point? My point to John is that very fact......why the sleepy welsh keep voting tribally for a party that is failing them. Why would anyone want labour in at Holyrood or Westminster looking at the mess you have had Wales in this past quarter century? |
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Post by thomas on Dec 31, 2023 14:51:09 GMT
you have to admit though John Wales is a bit of an outlier , where the welsh just simply can't break a habit of a lifetime when it comes to voting in labour despite the mess on every level that labour has made to devolved Wales in the last quarter century. So it's no surprise that Blairs unpopularity took a while to reach our sleepy welsh cousins. I think we agreed previously , that both us and our families were much worse off during the Blair years. There are at least three areas where Blair/New Labour benefitted the majority in England, they are 1. the much needed rescue of the NHS that benefitted the not so rich who couldn't afford private health. 2. State education, the majority of which had suffered badly from serious underfunding thanks to Thatcher's Grant Maintained system of funding. and 3. But for the Meltdown the number of unemployed would have been lower than when New Labour were elected in 1997. There is absolutely no doubt that there were many other positives under Blair I just can't be bothered to research them all over again. Labour didnt rescue the Scottish NHS. They almost destroyed it , and saddled it with decades of needless PFI debt. 2. Education. They introduced tuition fees in Scotland , one of the many reasons they were kicked out of power. 3. unemployment. Labour leave unemployment generally higher than they find it . whatever the alleged good Blairs government did , the cons certainly outweighed to pros. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 31, 2023 20:28:48 GMT
i confess i was too busy looking elsewhere making money to watch what this piece of shit was up to. Locally though it was 2005 when the Official Bring A Bottle (to the end of the world) Party, and in London Peter Kellner’s Your Party were launched that i really saw his popularity tank. you have to admit though John Wales is a bit of an outlier , where the welsh just simply can't break a habit of a lifetime when it comes to voting in labour despite the mess on every level that labour has made to devolved Wales in the last quarter century. So it's no surprise that Blairs unpopularity took a while to reach our sleepy welsh cousins. I think we agreed previously , that both us and our families were much worse off during the Blair years. oh yeah, no argument there. Even Wales’ safest seat which labour lost when Peter Law lost the whip in favour of an all woman shortlist and trounced them to win reverted to labour after two elections. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 1, 2024 16:29:20 GMT
Kemi Badenoch races ahead as favourite to replace Rishi Sunak as Tory members shun Suella Braverman...
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 1, 2024 16:52:01 GMT
Kemi Badenoch races ahead as favourite to replace Rishi Sunak as Tory members shun Suella Braverman...
linkLOL even die hard tories know they have no chance in winning the GE. With sunak in charge . Don't think whoever they put in will win labour come the GE. There last great white hope was Johnson And we all know what a disgrace he was partying while people was dying under his covid policy. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 1, 2024 19:43:41 GMT
Kemi Badenoch races ahead as favourite to replace Rishi Sunak as Tory members shun Suella Braverman...
linkLOL even die hard tories know they have no chance in winning the GE. With sunak in charge . Don't think whoever they put in will win labour come the GE. There last great white hope was Johnson And we all know what a disgrace he was partying while people was dying under his covid policy. Maybe you will get what you wish for. I hope you have deep pockets and a nice stash in the bank. You will need it if the labour wankers get in. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 1, 2024 19:49:29 GMT
LOL even die hard tories know they have no chance in winning the GE. With sunak in charge . Don't think whoever they put in will win labour come the GE. There last great white hope was Johnson And we all know what a disgrace he was partying while people was dying under his covid policy. Maybe you will get what you wish for. I hope you have deep pockets and a nice stash in the bank. You will need it if the labour wankers get in. What really do you mean there be a worser cost of living crisis what hit everyone badly from the poorest to the wealthy. A cost of living crisis caused by this government mis management of the Economy. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 1, 2024 19:53:44 GMT
Maybe you will get what you wish for. I hope you have deep pockets and a nice stash in the bank. You will need it if the labour wankers get in. What really do you mean there be a worser cost of living crisis what hit everyone badly from the poorest to the wealthy. A cost of living crisis caused by this government mis management of the Economy. Piffle. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 1, 2024 20:34:30 GMT
What really do you mean there be a worser cost of living crisis what hit everyone badly from the poorest to the wealthy. A cost of living crisis caused by this government mis management of the Economy. Piffle. Yep we all know how 13 years of austerity left us well prepared for this event. Oh wait. |
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Post by sheepy on Jan 1, 2024 20:36:48 GMT
Yep we all know how 13 years of austerity left us well prepared for this event. Oh wait. Don't be silly, we are going to replace one lot of establishment flunkies with another, I don't even think anyone is in much doubt about that.We should name it perhaps, call it something like Liberal democracy, so we all keep in step. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 1, 2024 20:46:30 GMT
Yep we all know how 13 years of austerity left us well prepared for this event. Oh wait. Don't be silly, we are going to replace one lot of establishment flunkies with another, I don't even think anyone is in much doubt about that.We should name it perhaps, call it something like Liberal democracy, so we all keep in step. Who would you like to change the establishment funkies with. Hasn't your own Country Scotland done that and we all know what a cock up that's been . |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 1, 2024 20:55:47 GMT
Yep we all know how 13 years of austerity left us well prepared for this event. Oh wait. Austerity which had to be brought in to repair labours last infestation of the HOC and NO 10. |
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Post by sheepy on Jan 1, 2024 20:58:04 GMT
Don't be silly, we are going to replace one lot of establishment flunkies with another, I don't even think anyone is in much doubt about that.We should name it perhaps, call it something like Liberal democracy, so we all keep in step. Who would you like to change the establishment funkies with. Hasn't your own Country Scotland done that and we all know what a cock up that's been . It's a good question we don't get many of them, when I ask them, nobody can answer, well, how about somebody with actual worldly knowledge, has an actual relationship with the people, put the needs of the people before their own and their establishment chums, stop pretending they are big guns in global politics and concentrate on what they get voted to do and put the British people first within reason. Not much really just what anyone would expect. |
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