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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 29, 2023 15:45:02 GMT
I'm not sure that's true. Boris at least gave them the opportunity by his launching of levelling up, but it turned out to be a bit of a damp squib, now Rishi is redistributing funds back down south in an attempt to sure up the blue wall. The 2% cut in NI next month was giving in to the populist in the party, but at a time when the country is unable to provide NHS, Social Services or Children's Services at an adequate level, most people see right through it. See, this is why people dont believe you when you protest that you are not left-wing. The NI cut was reversing the rise announced just 2 years ago that Labour campaigned against calling it a 'tax on jobs' - now the Government are doing what Labour called for they are giving in to the populists. A lower rate is either a bad thing for the economy or it is a populist measure - seems it depends on who is suggesting that. It was a gimmick, we both know it. What I will say in its favour is that it will at least benefit working people. If they do go for the inheritance tax though, that's not a gimmick and wouldn't be to help the ordinary working person. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 29, 2023 16:09:40 GMT
It was a gimmick, we both know it. What I will say in its favour is that it will at least benefit working people. If they do go for the inheritance tax though, that's not a gimmick and wouldn't be to help the ordinary working person. Was the gimmick to introduce the rise or to scrap the rise? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 29, 2023 17:16:15 GMT
It was a gimmick, we both know it. What I will say in its favour is that it will at least benefit working people. If they do go for the inheritance tax though, that's not a gimmick and wouldn't be to help the ordinary working person. Was the gimmick to introduce the rise or to scrap the rise? That's a fair question. I'd say both. Boris is always and always has been a gimmicky politician. It seemed to steal from the LibDems idea (think it was 2015?) for a penny on income tax ring fenced for NHS. He said he had a plan ready for social care when he was installed as prime minister, and it was always going to be published "in a couple of weeks" but never materialised. One would almost say he was lying. The party obviously never really believed in it either, hence Hunt throwing it out as red meat. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 29, 2023 18:06:05 GMT
No shit sherlock.... Rishi Sunak mocked as 'not a real conservative' after disastrous rating by Tory members.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 29, 2023 19:23:43 GMT
No shit sherlock.... Rishi Sunak mocked as 'not a real conservative' after disastrous rating by Tory members.
Yep they're in tatters. Factions of every sort. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 30, 2023 5:33:55 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 30, 2023 7:47:26 GMT
Leaving an estate valued at £325,000 does not make you 'rich' - more clickbait nonsense..  |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 30, 2023 9:32:41 GMT
Brilliant article Andrew. Thank you. This: it seems Sunak is hoping that one last bribe to the richest in our country will save his party. His team has been busy over the Christmas break briefing friendly journalists that the Chancellor, Jeremy Hunt, will slash inheritance tax in the Budget on March 6. Never mind that you must leave at least £325,000 before your estate becomes liable for tax, and that less than 4 per cent of estates in 2021 met that limit – and that is probably only because they didn’t get advice from a tax accountant. Looking after their own is what today’s Tory party does best, as the common people slide out of view. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 30, 2023 9:34:52 GMT
Leaving an estate valued at £325,000 does not make you 'rich' - more clickbait nonsense.. It makes you a lot richer than the vast majority. And why should it be a priority in this time when people don't have enough to eat. It shows where Sunaks thoughts lie And you'd really struggle to pay tax on just £325,000 |
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 30, 2023 13:05:14 GMT
Leaving an estate valued at £325,000 does not make you 'rich' - more clickbait nonsense.. Presumably you only get taxed on any sum over £325k? That's pretty generous. So if you are left £350k you only pay 4% of £25k or £1,000? |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 30, 2023 19:48:38 GMT
Leaving an estate valued at £325,000 does not make you 'rich' - more clickbait nonsense.. Presumably you only get taxed on any sum over £325k? That's pretty generous. So if you are left £350k you only pay 4% of £25k or £1,000? Not to mention any of the get arounds on offer. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 30, 2023 20:42:20 GMT
The main points against Labour are triggered by the knowledge that the last time the country had a centrist government it kept the Conservatives out of office for the longest period in their history. (quote)It was nothing to do with a centrist government. It was to do with the fact Blair captured the left wing vote as they had no where else to go , and mopped up some of the tory marginals by offering them tory lite policies.(/quote) Laughable unproveable nonsense. Proving that you have no actual depth of knowledge about New Labour. But you are allowed to post your ale house opinions.(quote)He lost 4 million left wing voters in the process of his election victories , faced with probably the worst conservative opposition in the history of yookay politics at the time. His ever lasting legacy was none of the above , and landslides on tiny minorities.(/quote) More garbage ale house opinion. They remained in office for 13 years and were only outed by the International Financial Meltdown.(quote)This isn't 1997 , and the political world has moved on . The cost in political terms to labour for those squandered blairite years , where much of the donkey work was done for Blair by smith and kinnock beforehand , seems to have been too much for labour to bear .(/quote) You really do live in a world of ale house opinions.(quote)As far as I can see tory voters are pissed off the tories have stopped being tory , rather than fear of some banal starmer so called centrist party. I wouldn't be surprised of both labour and tory take less than half the vote of the total uk electorate come next election. If you think starmer winning a victory on the back of say a fifth of the vote and the main parties being shunned by the majority as a good sign of a healthy democracy , then it jut more evidence of the fantasy universe you inhabit.(/quote) You create your own nonsense scenario, and then pretend its about my thinking, you are a first class Wally. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 30, 2023 21:03:35 GMT
Leaving an estate valued at £325,000 does not make you 'rich' - more clickbait nonsense.. It is an extremely desirable position to be in. But the real issue is the old claim that 'making the rich richer' will save the economy, has never been shown to work. Starmer has his eye on the ball in this area, "investment" first, tax cuts could come later. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 30, 2023 21:10:22 GMT
Leaving an estate valued at £325,000 does not make you 'rich' - more clickbait nonsense.. It is an extremely desirable position to be in. But the real issue is the old claim that 'making the rich richer' will save the economy, has never been shown to work. Starmer has his eye on the ball in this area, "investment" first, tax cuts could come later. Agreed. No entrepreneur starts a business because the tax will be low if he succeeds. Invest in the country get the people through this nightmare and small business will be grateful as sales increase. Of course the people who already have money are interested in low tax when they lend it to the entrepreneur at extortionate rates. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 30, 2023 21:14:21 GMT
Leaving an estate valued at £325,000 does not make you 'rich' - more clickbait nonsense.. It is an extremely desirable position to be in. But the real issue is the old claim that 'making the rich richer' will save the economy, has never been shown to work. Starmer has his eye on the ball in this area, "investment" first, tax cuts could come later. So exactly the same thing just pretending to be different who knew? |
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