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Post by dappy on Dec 2, 2023 11:52:34 GMT
Not according to election results. Because at the last GE they tacticly held off on Tory seats. But of course you knew that didn't you hh. Last election they stood in 275 seats averaging under 2500 votes per candidate. Not impressive. Given their “surge” how many seats do you think they will win this time. If they speak for the majority presumably most of them? |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 2, 2023 11:58:30 GMT
Reform are not doing too bad if they have overtaken the LibDems with, lets face it, a Leader who is a complete nonentity. I wonder how well they would be polling if Farage took charge again with his gift for PR. How have party's previously left by Farage gotten on in general elections? Poorly due to the electoral system. However in elections held under PR they won..  |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 2, 2023 12:15:21 GMT
Because at the last GE they tacticly held off on Tory seats. But of course you knew that didn't you hh. Last election they stood in 275 seats averaging under 2500 votes per candidate. Not impressive. Given their “surge” how many seats do you think they will win this time. If they speak for the majority presumably most of them? I don't know how many seats they will get They won't be holding back this time around they are surging upwards in the polls |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 2, 2023 12:36:25 GMT
I accept VAT is a burden, it's a regressive tax that was introduced in 1972 by the Heath government, and I accept it adversely affects the less well off in society. Since VAT was introduced 50 years ago, have Labour ever reduced it? Yes on domestic fuel bills. IIRC, the Tories were speculating on raising it from 11% to 15%, NL reduced it to 5%, the lowest available under EU law. Sorry about the late reply, circumstances. So you agree, Labour were unable to reduce VAT further because we were in the EU. Thank heavens we're out of it eh. Apologies unnecessary btw.  |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 2, 2023 12:41:16 GMT
Yes on domestic fuel bills. IIRC, the Tories were speculating on raising it from 11% to 15%, NL reduced it to 5%, the lowest available under EU law. Sorry about the late reply, circumstances. So you agree, Labour were unable to reduce VAT further because we were in the EU. Thank heavens we're out of it eh. Apologies unnecessary btw. Taxes never disappear once you have become accustomed, because the government might say they will reduce them but they will move the goalposts elsewhere. Reality of accounting. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 2, 2023 12:41:50 GMT
Last election they stood in 275 seats averaging under 2500 votes per candidate. Not impressive. Given their “surge” how many seats do you think they will win this time. If they speak for the majority presumably most of them? I don't know how many seats they will get They won't be holding back this time around they are surging upwards in the polls They are not surging up in the polls Jonksy and as it stands it is highly likely that they will get zero seats. I don’t think that’s fair by the way but that’s what happens with the silly FPTP. It’s possible something might change before the next election but I would bet against it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2023 13:00:35 GMT
How many "Rabbits Out Of The Hat" has Rishi Sunak got left ?
The Autumn Statement seems to have driven the Tory support further down, and so apart from the budget in the spring, what else is there. What could he do to alter the polling.
The last time any opinion poll showed the Conservatives ahead was on 6th December 2021, two years ago.
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Post by see2 on Dec 2, 2023 13:29:04 GMT
Yes on domestic fuel bills. IIRC, the Tories were speculating on raising it from 11% to 15%, NL reduced it to 5%, the lowest available under EU law. Sorry about the late reply, circumstances. So you agree, Labour were unable to reduce VAT further because we were in the EU. Thank heavens we're out of it eh. Apologies unnecessary btw. Yes, and the Tories were unable to raise VAT on domestic fuel because they lost the Election. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 2, 2023 13:33:53 GMT
How many "Rabbits Out Of The Hat" has Rishi Sunak got left ? The Autumn Statement seems to have driven the Tory support further down, and so apart from the budget in the spring, what else is there. What could he do to alter the polling. The last time any opinion poll showed the Conservatives ahead was on 6th December 2021, two years ago. And your predictions have been correct when dappy? |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 2, 2023 13:36:50 GMT
How many "Rabbits Out Of The Hat" has Rishi Sunak got left ? The Autumn Statement seems to have driven the Tory support further down, and so apart from the budget in the spring, what else is there. What could he do to alter the polling. The last time any opinion poll showed the Conservatives ahead was on 6th December 2021, two years ago. Well it seems that labour aren't picking up any of these seats that are being lost to Reform. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 2, 2023 13:44:06 GMT
Because at the last GE they tacticly held off on Tory seats. But of course you knew that didn't you hh. Last election they stood in 275 seats averaging under 2500 votes per candidate. Not impressive. Given their “surge” how many seats do you think they will win this time. If they speak for the majority presumably most of them? As UKIP proved, they don't need seats to be hugely influential.
Since Labour and the Tories are functionally identical, I now see no risk in voting Reform.
Which I shall.
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Post by bancroft on Dec 2, 2023 13:53:54 GMT
Last election they stood in 275 seats averaging under 2500 votes per candidate. Not impressive. Given their “surge” how many seats do you think they will win this time. If they speak for the majority presumably most of them? As UKIP proved, they don't need seats to be hugely influential.
Since Labour and the Tories are functionally identical, I now see no risk in voting Reform.
Which I shall.
Labour have not yet revealed their policies, as we get closer to the election they will be challenged and provided they are asked sufficiently probing questions then the differences will become apparent. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 2, 2023 14:25:55 GMT
As UKIP proved, they don't need seats to be hugely influential.
Since Labour and the Tories are functionally identical, I now see no risk in voting Reform.
Which I shall.
Labour have not yet revealed their policies, as we get closer to the election they will be challenged and provided they are asked sufficiently probing questions then the differences will become apparent. Or the lack thereof.
Not that their policies mean much since they behave exactly the same once in power.
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Post by dappy on Dec 2, 2023 14:32:28 GMT
Last election they stood in 275 seats averaging under 2500 votes per candidate. Not impressive. Given their “surge” how many seats do you think they will win this time. If they speak for the majority presumably most of them? As UKIP proved, they don't need seats to be hugely influential.
Since Labour and the Tories are functionally identical, I now see no risk in voting Reform.
Which I shall.
And so you should if they are the closest to your political viewpoint. One of the biggest criticisms of our current system is that it pushes people to vote tactically rather than by conviction. Obviously as someone who leans centre left, I will be delighted if the right and centre right vote splits this time around especially as I think centre left and left voters - more than their political leaders - are minded to vote more tactically than before for whichever candidate is most likely to kick the tory out. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 2, 2023 14:33:03 GMT
Last election they stood in 275 seats averaging under 2500 votes per candidate. Not impressive. Given their “surge” how many seats do you think they will win this time. If they speak for the majority presumably most of them? As UKIP proved, they don't need seats to be hugely influential.
Since Labour and the Tories are functionally identical, I now see no risk in voting Reform.
Which I shall.
So the mistaken (there is no difference) 'Mr. Moderate' is prepared to leap into right-wing nonsense, which incidentally is where I have placed him, in accordance with his posts, for some time. |
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