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Post by see2 on Nov 22, 2023 17:29:22 GMT
VAT is a pretty good tax as on the whole it's pretty discretionary, easy to administer and encourages saving. And costs people more in the shops. A £500 job on my old car cost me £600. i.e. £500 plus VAT. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 22, 2023 18:05:07 GMT
VAT is a pretty good tax as on the whole it's pretty discretionary, easy to administer and encourages saving. And costs people more in the shops. A £500 job on my old car cost me £600. i.e. £500 plus VAT. well no tax is designed to make you better off..  |
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Post by see2 on Nov 22, 2023 18:12:49 GMT
And costs people more in the shops. A £500 job on my old car cost me £600. i.e. £500 plus VAT. well no tax is designed to make you better off.. True but I wouldn't have minded being 2.5% better off, and not just on the bill. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 22, 2023 18:50:34 GMT
Morning! Sorry, had gone to watch the American Football. Yes,it was designed to stimulate the economy after the financial crash. Oh dear, oh very dear. You're a lefty who watches American football! Andrew, have you any redeeming features? I fear that may be a rhetorical question. Lol, so no sleep and we lost the damned game too. I was a grumpy sod yesterday! I've never classed myself as a Leftie. It's only the people who have binary thinking who do that! 😂 |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 2, 2023 7:10:44 GMT
Rchard Tice has a powerful new message for Rishi Sunak as his Reform UK party continues to snatch Brexit-backing voters from the Conservatives, according to a new poll. Reform UK has come out on top of the Lib Dems in a YouGov poll, with a one-point advantage against Ed Davey’s party, with the party standing at 10 percentage points.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 2, 2023 7:54:55 GMT
Reform are not doing too bad if they have overtaken the LibDems with, lets face it, a Leader who is a complete nonentity. I wonder how well they would be polling if Farage took charge again with his gift for PR.
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Post by dappy on Dec 2, 2023 8:17:38 GMT
Three polls have been published in the last 48 hours. Oddly the well known fearless reporter of unbiased fact, GB News chose only to report the one that had an outcome it liked. Laughable.
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 2, 2023 8:39:16 GMT
Reform are not doing too bad if they have overtaken the LibDems with, lets face it, a Leader who is a complete nonentity. I wonder how well they would be polling if Farage took charge again with his gift for PR. How have party's previously left by Farage gotten on in general elections? |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 2, 2023 8:49:25 GMT
Reform are not doing too bad if they have overtaken the LibDems with, lets face it, a Leader who is a complete nonentity. I wonder how well they would be polling if Farage took charge again with his gift for PR. How have party's previously left by Farage gotten on in general elections? Because they speak for the majority hh. |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 2, 2023 9:21:08 GMT
How have party's previously left by Farage gotten on in general elections? Because they speak for the majority hh. Not according to election results. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2023 11:08:09 GMT
The title of the topic is a bit absurd
Looking at the polling over the last couple of months, Reform have been polling between 5 and 10 points, with the average been 8 points.
The latest poll published yesterday ( Dec 1st ) by Techne, shows LAB 45 - CON 23 - LD 11 - REF 8 - GRN 7
So the idea that Tory voters are flocking to Reform, does not stand up to scrutiny, and evidence points to this not been the case.
The semi-decent Tories, such as people like Kenneth Clarke, Nicholas Soames, Michael Heseltine and others would never give Reform or Nigel Farage the time of day, and these half decent people represent a substantial percentage of Tory voters, particularly in traditional Tory heartlands in the South and Home Counties.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2023 11:14:14 GMT
The title of the topic is a bit absurd Looking at the polling over the last couple of months, Reform have been polling between 5 and 10 points, with the average been 8 points. The latest poll published yesterday ( Dec 1st ) by Techne, shows LAB 45 - CON 23 - LD 11 - REF 8 - GRN 7 So the idea that Tory voters are flocking to Reform, does not stand up to scrutiny, and evidence points to this not been the case. The semi-decent Tories, such as people like Kenneth Clarke, Nicholas Soames, Michael Heseltine and others would never give Reform or Nigel Farage the time of day, and these half decent people represent a substantial percentage of Tory voters, particularly in traditional Tory heartlands in the South and Home Counties. I think you might mean being, Sid. I wonder if all those Reformers and Libdemmers will actually be there on General Election day, as they might be spooked by the horror of a left wing government and slip a cross in the Tory box. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 2, 2023 11:33:54 GMT
That does not answer the question. Do you have a problem with the question? Really? "for instance was it introduced before or after Wilson's attempt to get industry moving?"Why does 'after' not answer your question? - is it some kind of cryptic crossword clue?  OK so I didn't catch on. "After" explains the situation. With unemployment rising and the very rich were not going to invest in industry and jobs, then the government needed to get an income from somewhere. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 2, 2023 11:42:20 GMT
Because they speak for the majority hh. Not according to election results. Because at the last GE they tacticly held off on Tory seats. But of course you knew that didn't you hh. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 2, 2023 11:43:51 GMT
The top rate of tax reached 98% in the 1970s. That was payable on income of the equivalent of c£250k in todays money and even then only on investment income rather than income from work. Thatcher moved the tax burden from direct (income tax) to indirect (vat) thereby taxing the rich less and the poor more. The same instincts permeate the Tory Party to this day. I accept VAT is a burden, it's a regressive tax that was introduced in 1972 by the Heath government, and I accept it adversely affects the less well off in society. Since VAT was introduced 50 years ago, have Labour ever reduced it? Yes on domestic fuel bills. IIRC, the Tories were speculating on raising it from 11% to 15%, NL reduced it to 5%, the lowest available under EU law. Sorry about the late reply, circumstances. |
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