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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2023 13:58:17 GMT
On the 6th of October 23, how many Israelis were there in Gaza? Visiting or on holiday? This is a very tired old excuse for stating that Gaza is not occupied, the UN class Gaza as an occupied territory due to it's control of everything that goes in and out. The UN are a group of Useless Ne'er-do-wells. They had a vote to denounce and condemn the 7th October terror attacks and they were unable to get the moral fibre to actually do so. The Useless Ne'er-do-wells (UN) since 2006 have adopted 297 resolutions against Israel. That is 297 out of a total of 761. 39% of all Useless Ne'er-do-wells (UN) resolutions are against just one country.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 16, 2023 14:22:03 GMT
There is much evidence as regards what is happening from both sides, there seems to be a HAMAS weapons cache in the hospital, not independently verified. Show me where I said that all those killed were HAMAS members. Sorry, you came into a conversation I was having with another poster. I find it strange that they are quick to show the weapons but no tunnels to what has been described as a 'massive control complex'. A pathetically small cache of weapons at that. There are 2 possibilities here. Either Hamas withdrew from the hospital knowing that the IDF were on their way or Israel was wrong about the hospital being used as a massive control centre. The lack of tunnels points more towards the latter.
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Post by wapentake on Nov 16, 2023 14:45:24 GMT
Sorry, you came into a conversation I was having with another poster. I find it strange that they are quick to show the weapons but no tunnels to what has been described as a 'massive control complex'. A pathetically small cache of weapons at that. There are 2 possibilities here. Either Hamas withdrew from the hospital knowing that the IDF were on their way or Israel was wrong about the hospital being used as a massive control centre. The lack of tunnels points more towards the latter. Exactly and the evidence from MSF I am more likely to think credible than either that from Hamas or Israel. And MSF doctors have stated what is happening in the hospitals and it doesn’t back up what’s been alleged.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 16, 2023 14:51:48 GMT
They are Islamists. They are religious nutcases like ISIS and Al Qaeda. They have dragged murdered bodies through Gaza city before, behind motorcycles, they have chucked gays off tall buildings. They have even encouraged loopy members of their organisation to blow themselves up in order to kill Israelis.
You cannot negotiate peace with them, you can only negotiate ceasefires whilst they rearm.
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Post by wapentake on Nov 16, 2023 15:41:04 GMT
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 16, 2023 16:01:58 GMT
A pathetically small cache of weapons at that. There are 2 possibilities here. Either Hamas withdrew from the hospital knowing that the IDF were on their way or Israel was wrong about the hospital being used as a massive control centre. The lack of tunnels points more towards the latter. Exactly and the evidence from MSF I am more likely to think credible than either that from Hamas or Israel. And MSF doctors have stated what is happening in the hospitals and it doesn’t back up what’s been alleged. According to the BBC reporter just her and one other reporter were escorted on a ''guided tour'' to one small part of the hospital to be shown about a dozen AK47s and a few grenades and other weapons. They were not allowed to look elsewhere or speak to any of the hospital staff or patients. Neither of the protagonists can be trusted as far as you can throw them.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 16, 2023 16:38:08 GMT
Do you realise that elsewhere, there could at the moment still be bombs and traps, and that it could be hazardous?
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Post by sandypine on Nov 16, 2023 17:16:30 GMT
There is much evidence as regards what is happening from both sides, there seems to be a HAMAS weapons cache in the hospital, not independently verified. Show me where I said that all those killed were HAMAS members. Sorry, you came into a conversation I was having with another poster. I find it strange that they are quick to show the weapons but no tunnels to what has been described as a 'massive control complex'. I have no doubt Israel are fighting a propaganda war as well and will seek to present themselves as being justified. What is clear they are being opposed in strength.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 16, 2023 17:31:42 GMT
This is the stupidity level of those that go on these silly protests every Saturday..
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 16, 2023 17:59:56 GMT
Do you realise that elsewhere, there could at the moment still be bombs and traps, and that it could be hazardous? You are quite right. A slight digression just for interest: Unsophisticated booby traps can be deadly and a very effective way of slowing an advance not least of all because wondering whether you'll be blown up if you pull a drawer out or open a door tends to play on your mind. I remember very well searching Iraqi positions during Gulf 1, some of them were well built and went down several meters, bit like WW1 bunkers. We knew some abandoned Iraqi tanks had been booby trapped so when searching these positions we were very careful what we moved and where we placed out feet. We didn't go into some of the deeper parts of some positions, if there was any intel down there it was lost. These positions were either ploughed over or blown up. Just the thought of booby traps is stressful and time consuming, it slows everything down. I have every sympathy for the IDF in the tunnels of Gaza, I wouldn't want to be there that's for sure.
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