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Post by sandypine on Nov 15, 2023 14:35:48 GMT
I am therefore doing no such thing. Jog on. You are saying that the 11,000 dead Palestinians are members of Hamas, there are nearly 5,000 children bombed out of existence not counting the ones that are buried under the rubble. You are advocating genocide. Who is actually fighting the Israelis whose stated aim is to get at HAMAS. If Palestinians are concerned as to what is happening why not step aside and allow Israel to get HAMAS wherever they are? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 15:05:56 GMT
Of course there is, there are plenty on here I disagree with but I am always mindful that they have a right to their opinion and a right to voice it. (except, of course, for one or two lunatics" I was intrigued more by your comment "Why should we not give considerations to others views, we are not all the same." Which to my mind implies that not just accepting others have views but accepting that those views are just as valid as one's own by being thoughtful and sensitive to those views. Unless you meant something else entirely which I cannot see. That is exactly what I meant. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 15:08:30 GMT
You are saying that the 11,000 dead Palestinians are members of Hamas, there are nearly 5,000 children bombed out of existence not counting the ones that are buried under the rubble. You are advocating genocide. Who is actually fighting the Israelis whose stated aim is to get at HAMAS. If Palestinians are concerned as to what is happening why not step aside and allow Israel to get HAMAS wherever they are? You are attempting to divert from the point you attempted to make which was that the 11,000 deaths in Palestine were all members of Hamas. Palestinians have tried to leave, the supposed security, of hospitals and schools but have been bombed whilst doing so. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 15:09:11 GMT
Keep in mind that Islamists may refer to their terrorists and killers as innocent when massacring, raping and torturing non-Muslims.
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Post by sandypine on Nov 15, 2023 15:43:31 GMT
I was intrigued more by your comment "Why should we not give considerations to others views, we are not all the same." Which to my mind implies that not just accepting others have views but accepting that those views are just as valid as one's own by being thoughtful and sensitive to those views. Unless you meant something else entirely which I cannot see. That is exactly what I meant. Which is why I was intrigued as the comment you replied to was "What do you think motivates those who want this backward cult to undo all western progress?" Which is why I then asked as regards other extreme points of view. I am not clear why one should give consideration t to views that are not just evil in any Western parameter but are actually intent on destroying that which we have built |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 15, 2023 15:47:07 GMT
Who is actually fighting the Israelis whose stated aim is to get at HAMAS. If Palestinians are concerned as to what is happening why not step aside and allow Israel to get HAMAS wherever they are? You are attempting to divert from the point you attempted to make which was that the 11,000 deaths in Palestine were all members of Hamas. Palestinians have tried to leave, the supposed security, of hospitals and schools but have been bombed whilst doing so. I am asking the question as regards if the hospitals and schools are supposed to be islands of safety who is actually stopping the Israelis reaching those island of safety where obviously no HAMAS fighters exist at all. I do not pretend it is simple all I am saying it is not as straightforward as some would have us believe. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 16:02:56 GMT
That is exactly what I meant. Which is why I was intrigued as the comment you replied to was "What do you think motivates those who want this backward cult to undo all western progress?" Which is why I then asked as regards other extreme points of view. I am not clear why one should give consideration t to views that are not just evil in any Western parameter but are actually intent on destroying that which we have built Just because people have a point of view that we find unpalatable does not make it invalid. I disagree with many peoples views but they are still entitled to them. As for 'going backwards on western 'progress' how can any of us be certain that progress is a good thing? Progress brought us the atomic bomb and Ai could eventually see our demise. There is a certain attraction to many people of 'simplicity', they are entitled to that view. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 16:04:11 GMT
You are attempting to divert from the point you attempted to make which was that the 11,000 deaths in Palestine were all members of Hamas. Palestinians have tried to leave, the supposed security, of hospitals and schools but have been bombed whilst doing so. I am asking the question as regards if the hospitals and schools are supposed to be islands of safety who is actually stopping the Israelis reaching those island of safety where obviously no HAMAS fighters exist at all. I do not pretend it is simple all I am saying it is not as straightforward as some would have us believe. Stop it, you f*cked up, fess up. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 15, 2023 16:17:01 GMT
I am asking the question as regards if the hospitals and schools are supposed to be islands of safety who is actually stopping the Israelis reaching those island of safety where obviously no HAMAS fighters exist at all. I do not pretend it is simple all I am saying it is not as straightforward as some would have us believe. Stop it, you f*cked up, fess up. It seems a reasonable question to ask who is actually fighting against the Israeli army. |
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Post by wapentake on Nov 15, 2023 17:28:33 GMT
The UN are complicit in the rise of Hamas - there schools are a breeding ground for violent jihadis. Works both ways |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 17:45:13 GMT
Stop it, you f*cked up, fess up. It seems a reasonable question to ask who is actually fighting against the Israeli army. A terrorist group called Hamas. You just can't get yourself to do it, can you? You accused the dead of all being part of a terror group, you were wrong. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 15, 2023 19:21:35 GMT
It seems a reasonable question to ask who is actually fighting against the Israeli army. A terrorist group called Hamas. You just can't get yourself to do it, can you? You accused the dead of all being part of a terror group, you were wrong. I am not accusing anyone of anything and I did not accuses anyone of anything so hold your wheesht in that respect your last sentence is way off beam. I asked who was actually fighting the Israeli army. You now say it is HAMAS yet they must be doing that from the vicinity of or even from the safe haven buildings. HAMAS care little for the Palestinians as they are only too keen to place them in danger and sacrifice them as needed. Israel has teh fire power to flatten Gaza several times over but they are going from building to building to clear out HAMAS a difficult task and it is costing them military lives to be as careful as they can. If they did not care at all they would just blow the hospital and schools up, but they do not and still they are accused of Genocide. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 15, 2023 19:49:57 GMT
Which is why I was intrigued as the comment you replied to was "What do you think motivates those who want this backward cult to undo all western progress?" Which is why I then asked as regards other extreme points of view. I am not clear why one should give consideration t to views that are not just evil in any Western parameter but are actually intent on destroying that which we have built Just because people have a point of view that we find unpalatable does not make it invalid. I disagree with many peoples views but they are still entitled to them. As for 'going backwards on western 'progress' how can any of us be certain that progress is a good thing? Progress brought us the atomic bomb and Ai could eventually see our demise. There is a certain attraction to many people of 'simplicity', they are entitled to that view. However in the context of the initial response the anti western progress group seem intent on a ruling theocracy whereby teh rule of law is decided by Ulema pontificating upon a 1300 year old book that is purported to be the word of God. Progress may be subjective as to its benefit to humankind what is clear is that regress through theocratic dictat is a serious danger to progress so far and giving it thoughfulness and sensitivity is surely a non starter even if we are all different. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 20:07:21 GMT
Would believing all the casualty figures put out by Hamas make a person a Hamas supporter?
If so, we have a few on this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2023 9:19:17 GMT
A terrorist group called Hamas. You just can't get yourself to do it, can you? You accused the dead of all being part of a terror group, you were wrong. I am not accusing anyone of anything and I did not accuses anyone of anything so hold your wheesht in that respect your last sentence is way off beam. I asked who was actually fighting the Israeli army. You now say it is HAMAS yet they must be doing that from the vicinity of or even from the safe haven buildings. HAMAS care little for the Palestinians as they are only too keen to place them in danger and sacrifice them as needed. Israel has teh fire power to flatten Gaza several times over but they are going from building to building to clear out HAMAS a difficult task and it is costing them military lives to be as careful as they can. If they did not care at all they would just blow the hospital and schools up, but they do not and still they are accused of Genocide. We have not actually seen any evidence that Hamas are using civilians as human shields, I may be wrong and evidence may come to light in the future. You said all those killed in Palestine were Hamas members, no matter how you attempt to change it that is a fact. |
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