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Post by sandypine on Nov 8, 2023 15:41:43 GMT
Oh dear. There are many things that should have happened long ago the whole point of having the rule of law is that applies to all. The fact that the jury were misled by the likes of Olusoga as an 'expert' but decidedly biased witness is quite cogent. If decent people took the law into their own hands there would be much shouting from the left as some decent people wanted to protect statues last time around and were branded by the left as bigots and racists. Even now those who may arrive to defend the Cenotaph have been branded yet during the London riots we had Sikhs with knives, clubs and swords guarding their holy place and were applauded. There is a serious and mixed up moral compass along the way and the main problem is the left believe not only are they right but they are also righteous. EDIT It seems there has been another Muslim perpetrated massacre in South Sudan that is now coming to light. If 'peace' is the operative word the thousands being killed by Muslims in South Sudan certainly needs action. Once again the left are quiet, their angst and anger is saved for the proper channels and against and for the proper peoples. I smell hypocrisy. I have not even heard of any massacre in South Sudan reported in the media. So blame the selectivity of the media, not me. But if a load of Sudanese muslims have perpetrated a massacre, of course I condemn it. And you are comparing apples and oranges somewhat. There is a difference between minorities seeking to defend holy places against racists, and the racists themselves seeking to use similar as a way of provoking aggro. A bunch of racists defending a national shrine is an affront to everyone who fought and died and is commemorated there. And is mostly just a publicity stunt. I expect the protesters will not go anywhere near it. They are not planning to. But if they do, protecting it is the job of the police, not that of a bunch of vigilante racists spoiling for a fight. Not hearing of things is of course a media thing perhaps you should expand into other areas and watch and listen to channels and blogs you call bigoted. There is no difference to anyone protecting that which is a special place to them. You, like many on the left, remove the right of some by calling them racists yet their rights are identical to everyone else's. Was that not the call as regards the likes of Abu Qatada that in protecting his rights we protect everyone's. It seems if you designate someone a racist then their rights are gone. Do you really know how in line with fascism that is? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 8, 2023 15:45:48 GMT
I have not even heard of any massacre in South Sudan reported in the media. So blame the selectivity of the media, not me. But if a load of Sudanese muslims have perpetrated a massacre, of course I condemn it. And you are comparing apples and oranges somewhat. There is a difference between minorities seeking to defend holy places against racists, and the racists themselves seeking to use similar as a way of provoking aggro. A bunch of racists defending a national shrine is an affront to everyone who fought and died and is commemorated there. And is mostly just a publicity stunt. I expect the protesters will not go anywhere near it. They are not planning to. But if they do, protecting it is the job of the police, not that of a bunch of vigilante racists spoiling for a fight. Not hearing of things is of course a media thing perhaps you should expand into other areas and watch and listen to channels and blogs you call bigoted. There is no difference to anyone protecting that which is a special place to them. You, like many on the left, remove the right of some by calling them racists yet their rights are identical to everyone else's. Was that not the call as regards the likes of Abu Qatada that in protecting his rights we protect everyone's. It seems if you designate someone a racist then their rights are gone. Do you really know how in line with fascism that is?   |
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Post by see2 on Nov 8, 2023 16:20:24 GMT
Still posting like an immature child I see, an immature child who likes to propagate lies about me. Still incapable of addressing the question of settler land thefts, and resorting to childish name calling instead. And you call me an immature child, lol. I am the one asking an intelligent question, you are the one refusing to address it and calling me childish names instead. Your numerous childish lying attacks on me prove your immaturity, its what you do that determines what you are not what you think. If or when you decide to debate like an adult, assuming you are capable of it, without your persistent lies, I will indulge in debate. I have made that obvious earlier when I pointed to a lie in a number of your posts as the reason for me not indulging in debate with you. You chose to ignore the obvious. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 8, 2023 16:54:35 GMT
Oh dear. There are many things that should have happened long ago the whole point of having the rule of law is that applies to all. The fact that the jury were misled by the likes of Olusoga as an 'expert' but decidedly biased witness is quite cogent. If decent people took the law into their own hands there would be much shouting from the left as some decent people wanted to protect statues last time around and were branded by the left as bigots and racists. Even now those who may arrive to defend the Cenotaph have been branded yet during the London riots we had Sikhs with knives, clubs and swords guarding their holy place and were applauded. There is a serious and mixed up moral compass along the way and the main problem is the left believe not only are they right but they are also righteous. EDIT It seems there has been another Muslim perpetrated massacre in South Sudan that is now coming to light. If 'peace' is the operative word the thousands being killed by Muslims in South Sudan certainly needs action. Once again the left are quiet, their angst and anger is saved for the proper channels and against and for the proper peoples. I smell hypocrisy. I have not even heard of any massacre in South Sudan reported in the media. So blame the selectivity of the media, not me. But if a load of Sudanese muslims have perpetrated a massacre, of course I condemn it. It's been going on for a long time. www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/darfur/genocide/And it's still going on.
www.icc-cpi.int/darfurAnd you can bet that none of those Islamists marching for Gaza will ever march for the victims of the genocide in Darfur. Some moderate lefties might. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 8, 2023 17:03:47 GMT
Vinny, the tragic events in Darfur have as you say been going on for an extended period. They are however taking place in Sudan not South Sudan hence the confusion earlier. As far as I know they are not related to the killings in Gaza in any way.
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Post by see2 on Nov 8, 2023 17:19:34 GMT
Not hearing of things is of course a media thing perhaps you should expand into other areas and watch and listen to channels and blogs you call bigoted. There is no difference to anyone protecting that which is a special place to them. You, like many on the left, remove the right of some by calling them racists yet their rights are identical to everyone else's. Was that not the call as regards the likes of Abu Qatada that in protecting his rights we protect everyone's. It seems if you designate someone a racist then their rights are gone. Do you really know how in line with fascism that is? One can't get further away from reality than posting an insinuating right-wing picture in true right-wing style. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 8, 2023 18:21:35 GMT
Vinny, the tragic events in Darfur have as you say been going on for an extended period. They are however taking place in Sudan not South Sudan hence the confusion earlier. As far as I know they are not related to the killings in Gaza in any way. Palestine has been going on for over 100 years. Of course they are not related to the killings in Gaza the point is the selection process of what is important in terms of killings. 1200 killings in Israel by a terrorist group, very little action, some say a 'beautiful day' and some cheering in the streets on many Western cities. The left do very little lining up to condemn the atrocities. Sudan (mea culpa for saying South) has massacres of children and civilians as a direct attack on black Africans by a Muslim group(s). Silence from many here, the streets are quiet, the mosques ignore it, the government and charities do their bit but very few care. Once we get to Palestine it is a whole new ball game. The obvious conclusion is that when Muslims do the killing of Muslims and other faiths it is just in a days work so to speak. When Jews do the killings apoplexy sets in. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 8, 2023 20:34:36 GMT
Any people supporting Hamas, even if they're not personally using violence are not legitimate protesters. Round Hamas supporters up and lock them up. They're about as much help to the Palestinian cause as the endorsement of Levi Bellfield. I went to a rugby match on saturday So did 53,216 other people We walked past a thousand waving Palestinian flags No one was supporting Hamas All of them were pretty pissed off at Netsnyahu enjoying a spit of genocide. And that’s what’s been going on for about fifty years that i’ve been old enough to notice The jews steal land, build settlements, drive the inhabitants off, kill at will for the sheer joy of it And the friends of israel applaud. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 8, 2023 20:36:01 GMT
I am not applauding Netanyahu.
I support the two state solution.
Unfortunately due to Hamas AND Likud the two state solution is dead.
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Post by see2 on Nov 8, 2023 21:56:56 GMT
I am not applauding Netanyahu. I support the two state solution. Unfortunately due to Hamas AND Likud the two state solution is dead. I suspect you are spot-on with your comment. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2023 6:49:32 GMT
Still incapable of addressing the question of settler land thefts, and resorting to childish name calling instead. And you call me an immature child, lol. I am the one asking an intelligent question, you are the one refusing to address it and calling me childish names instead. Your numerous childish lying attacks on me prove your immaturity, its what you do that determines what you are not what you think. If or when you decide to debate like an adult, assuming you are capable of it, without your persistent lies, I will indulge in debate. I have made that obvious earlier when I pointed to a lie in a number of your posts as the reason for me not indulging in debate with you. You chose to ignore the obvious. I asked an adult question. What about the settler land thefts. It is you responding with shite and childish personal attacks. What does a single word you have said contribute to the debate? |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 9, 2023 7:59:15 GMT
Vinny, the tragic events in Darfur have as you say been going on for an extended period. They are however taking place in Sudan not South Sudan hence the confusion earlier. As far as I know they are not related to the killings in Gaza in any way. Saying that the war in Sudan is "not related to the killings in Gaza in any way" is a bit of a stretch even for you dappy. All of the wars in Africa and the Middle East are basically related to the struggle for muslim supremacy. In fact if Islam were abolished there would be very few wars - just those provoked by the EU, like the war in Ukraine. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 9, 2023 8:07:10 GMT
Your numerous childish lying attacks on me prove your immaturity, its what you do that determines what you are not what you think. If or when you decide to debate like an adult, assuming you are capable of it, without your persistent lies, I will indulge in debate. I have made that obvious earlier when I pointed to a lie in a number of your posts as the reason for me not indulging in debate with you. You chose to ignore the obvious. I asked an adult question. What about the settler land thefts. It is you responding with shite and childish personal attacks. What does a single word you have said contribute to the debate? It is because of your repeated lies and denigration aimed at me in your posts, (which I repeatedly pointed out), is the reason your "adult question" has been ignored. For reasons best known to yourself, you just don't get it. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 9, 2023 8:11:13 GMT
Vinny, the tragic events in Darfur have as you say been going on for an extended period. They are however taking place in Sudan not South Sudan hence the confusion earlier. As far as I know they are not related to the killings in Gaza in any way. Saying that the war in Sudan is "not related to the killings in Gaza in any way" is a bit of a stretch even for you dappy. All of the wars in Africa and the Middle East are basically related to the struggle for muslim supremacy. In fact if Islam were abolished there would be very few wars - just those provoked by the EU, like the war in Ukraine. Are you suggesting that it was OK for Russia to invade the Ukraine with the intention of taking control of all of the Ukraine? |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 9, 2023 9:32:15 GMT
Saying that the war in Sudan is "not related to the killings in Gaza in any way" is a bit of a stretch even for you dappy. All of the wars in Africa and the Middle East are basically related to the struggle for muslim supremacy. In fact if Islam were abolished there would be very few wars - just those provoked by the EU, like the war in Ukraine. Are you suggesting that it was OK for Russia to invade the Ukraine with the intention of taking control of all of the Ukraine? No. That's why I used the word "provoked". Nothing justifies what Russia has done in the Ukraine, but it has been obvious for decades that Russia is extremely sensitive about Ukraine and the extension of the EU empire and NATO to the east. Yet the EU just kept on pushing - cosying up to Ukraine. There was only ever going to be one outcome. The great pity is that Boris went and committed vast amounts of our money to arming Ukraine. This conflict has NOTHING to do with us now we've left the EU and we should have kept out of it. Let the EU clear up the mess. |
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