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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 11:55:36 GMT
I think McDonalds problem is that once it was highlighted what the phrase meant he didn't withdraw it but doubled down. he wasn't looking for agreement or consensus. Why is it that we have to agree, like puppies, on the Israeli definition of the phrase "from the river to sea" even when it refers to Israel being free and living in peace? Just like normal we are allowing ourselves to be browbeaten into submission, is this what Brexit really meant? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 14:15:21 GMT
I think McDonalds problem is that once it was highlighted what the phrase meant he didn't withdraw it but doubled down. he wasn't looking for agreement or consensus. Why is it that we have to agree, like puppies, on the Israeli definition of the phrase "from the river to sea" even when it refers to Israel being free and living in peace? Just like normal we are allowing ourselves to be browbeaten into submission, is this what Brexit really meant? Your mind seems to be capable of unending mental gymnastics to distort facts into your own agenda. It's not an Israeli definition, Red Rum. It's plain English from the Hamas charter, and every Palestinian knows what it means. You and others might re-invent the meaning, but some are not fooled. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 5, 2023 14:44:43 GMT
But our military are not involved and the genocide aspect is a moot point. So upsetting families and friends of deceased service personnel is fine and dandy in a protest as regards a foreign war. We have no control over Israel and even less control over HAMAS Our military does not have to be involved, is that really an excuse for supporting it? We arm Israel to the tune of billions of pounds, Israel are killing a child every 10 minutes in Gaza, to say we are not involved is cowardice. Listen to the 'honesty' of Israeli ministers and their determination to leave nothing alive inside Gaza if you doubt the genocide. We could stop supplying them with arms for a start and call for a ceasefire. The people we are honouring on remembrance day died to stop a tyrannical country committing genocide, while we support a tyrannical country committing genocide. Can't you see the hypocrisy. You are back again to one cause for remembrance, there are a multitude of causes, some good, some bad, some indifferent what they all have in common is that British people, and Commonwealth people, risked their lives to aid Britain. Some died. The remembrance is of teh people who went off rightly or wrongly. What you want it to be is to your particular view which some may disagree with but no one diagrees with remembrance, do they? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 5, 2023 14:54:45 GMT
If your objective was to lie and misrepresent then yes, you achieved it. The genocide you just invented, while supporting those chanting "From the river to the sea". The supporter of genocide is you. They are a set of words - Israel has cornered the expression as it did with anti Semitism, meaning anti-Jewish which it does not. "The slogan is open to an array of interpretations, from the genocidal to the democratic. It reflects the complexity and sensitivity of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which has been ongoing for decades and has no easy solution. The slogan also raises questions about the meaning and boundaries of Palestine and Israel, and the rights and aspirations of their peoples". How have I supported genocide, I am calling out Israel. I am not going to listen to lectures on anti-Semitism from the likes of you. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 5, 2023 15:02:07 GMT
Protests are not hate marches they are marches against hate... Attended by racists like this:  Pull the other one, Wonky. They're anti-Semitic hate marches. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 15:31:30 GMT
Why is it that we have to agree, like puppies, on the Israeli definition of the phrase "from the river to sea" even when it refers to Israel being free and living in peace? Just like normal we are allowing ourselves to be browbeaten into submission, is this what Brexit really meant? Your mind seems to be capable of unending mental gymnastics to distort facts into your own agenda. It's not an Israeli definition, Red Rum. It's plain English from the Hamas charter, and every Palestinian knows what it means. You and others might re-invent the meaning, but some are not fooled. They are interpreted in many different ways but Israel is intent on having an antisemitic meaning only. “We won’t rest until we have justice, until all people, Israelis and Palestinians, between the river and the sea can live in peaceful liberty,” said Andy McDonald. This is really getting stupid, nobody can disagree with this sentiment. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 15:33:10 GMT
Our military does not have to be involved, is that really an excuse for supporting it? We arm Israel to the tune of billions of pounds, Israel are killing a child every 10 minutes in Gaza, to say we are not involved is cowardice. Listen to the 'honesty' of Israeli ministers and their determination to leave nothing alive inside Gaza if you doubt the genocide. We could stop supplying them with arms for a start and call for a ceasefire. The people we are honouring on remembrance day died to stop a tyrannical country committing genocide, while we support a tyrannical country committing genocide. Can't you see the hypocrisy. You are back again to one cause for remembrance, there are a multitude of causes, some good, some bad, some indifferent what they all have in common is that British people, and Commonwealth people, risked their lives to aid Britain. Some died. The remembrance is of teh people who went off rightly or wrongly. What you want it to be is to your particular view which some may disagree with but no one diagrees with remembrance, do they? I agree I cannot see anyone disagree with remembrance, just like no one should disagree about what we are remembering. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 5, 2023 15:34:50 GMT
Your mind seems to be capable of unending mental gymnastics to distort facts into your own agenda. It's not an Israeli definition, Red Rum. It's plain English from the Hamas charter, and every Palestinian knows what it means. You and others might re-invent the meaning, but some are not fooled. They are interpreted in many different ways but Israel is intent on having an antisemitic meaning only. “We won’t rest until we have justice, until all people, Israelis and Palestinians, between the river and the sea can live in peaceful liberty,” said Andy McDonald. This is really getting stupid, nobody can disagree with this sentiment. What is 'justice' in this context? Peaceful liberty has been is short measure for decades and there are always those who will not live in that way irrespective of what is agreed. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 15:35:03 GMT
They are a set of words - Israel has cornered the expression as it did with anti Semitism, meaning anti-Jewish which it does not. "The slogan is open to an array of interpretations, from the genocidal to the democratic. It reflects the complexity and sensitivity of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which has been ongoing for decades and has no easy solution. The slogan also raises questions about the meaning and boundaries of Palestine and Israel, and the rights and aspirations of their peoples". How have I supported genocide, I am calling out Israel. I am not going to listen to lectures on anti-Semitism from the likes of you. "I am not going to listen to lectures on anti-Semitism from the likes of you". says the one with a Nazi style avatar. Thought not, quit while you are behind. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 15:37:11 GMT
Protests are not hate marches they are marches against hate... Attended by racists like this: Pull the other one, Wonky. They're anti-Semitic hate marches. Are you saying all the protesters were wearing slogans like this? You know the vast majority were not but you master Braverman wants you to think that, stop being a lemming. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 15:38:23 GMT
They are interpreted in many different ways but Israel is intent on having an antisemitic meaning only. “We won’t rest until we have justice, until all people, Israelis and Palestinians, between the river and the sea can live in peaceful liberty,” said Andy McDonald. This is really getting stupid, nobody can disagree with this sentiment. What is 'justice' in this context? Peaceful liberty has been is short measure for decades and there are always those who will not live in that way irrespective of what is agreed. I didn't say in and can only, like you assume. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 5, 2023 15:44:55 GMT
You are back again to one cause for remembrance, there are a multitude of causes, some good, some bad, some indifferent what they all have in common is that British people, and Commonwealth people, risked their lives to aid Britain. Some died. The remembrance is of teh people who went off rightly or wrongly. What you want it to be is to your particular view which some may disagree with but no one diagrees with remembrance, do they? I agree I cannot see anyone disagree with remembrance, just like no one should disagree about what we are remembering. You disagree, the people have nothing to do with any individual cause. Some soldiers died in Aden, some in Israel, some in Gaza the causes are all encompassing, if you choose one you are changing the direction of the day. The Sergeants affair was perpetrated by Israelis and then some British soldiers were killed during the Arab revolt. Remembrance does not take sides, our government can adopt a position you may disagree with but that has nothing to do with remembrance which belongs to teh British people as a whole, not to the government, they are there as representatives of all of us, irrespective of the rights and wrongs of why they died and of any individuals view on what is happening now. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 16:09:19 GMT
I agree I cannot see anyone disagree with remembrance, just like no one should disagree about what we are remembering. You disagree, the people have nothing to do with any individual cause. Some soldiers died in Aden, some in Israel, some in Gaza the causes are all encompassing, if you choose one you are changing the direction of the day. The Sergeants affair was perpetrated by Israelis and then some British soldiers were killed during the Arab revolt. Remembrance does not take sides, our government can adopt a position you may disagree with but that has nothing to do with remembrance which belongs to teh British people as a whole, not to the government, they are there as representatives of all of us, irrespective of the rights and wrongs of why they died and of any individuals view on what is happening now. It is not about taking sides, it is about the people that died all around the world to stop a genocidal nation, is it so easy to dismiss their sacrifice and 'ignore' what Israel is doing in Palestine, I think not. In fact I would go as far to say by ignoring what Israel are doing is an insult to those that died giving us our freedom. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 5, 2023 16:26:50 GMT
You disagree, the people have nothing to do with any individual cause. Some soldiers died in Aden, some in Israel, some in Gaza the causes are all encompassing, if you choose one you are changing the direction of the day. The Sergeants affair was perpetrated by Israelis and then some British soldiers were killed during the Arab revolt. Remembrance does not take sides, our government can adopt a position you may disagree with but that has nothing to do with remembrance which belongs to teh British people as a whole, not to the government, they are there as representatives of all of us, irrespective of the rights and wrongs of why they died and of any individuals view on what is happening now. It is not about taking sides, it is about the people that died all around the world to stop a genocidal nation, is it so easy to dismiss their sacrifice and 'ignore' what Israel is doing in Palestine, I think not. In fact I would go as far to say by ignoring what Israel are doing is an insult to those that died giving us our freedom. You are the one saying the Israel Gaza conflict is a genocidal war, many disagree with that take on it, so in order to be for all who died you have to remove it from any cause alone, past or present. We could make remembrance day about Lee Rigby but that would be diverting from the day which is for all, irrespective of what cause they died in aid of. You want to make it special, which it is not most especially as it is a day for the British Military who are not involved in Gaza in any way. Our government does not support a genocidal war but does support the Israeli right to respond. As I said you may disagree, there are many things I disagree with but I would not interfere with the act of remembrance most especially as my wife's father came through 5 years, she remembers his conflict for years afterwatrds but he came home, many of his friends did not. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 17:24:46 GMT
It is not about taking sides, it is about the people that died all around the world to stop a genocidal nation, is it so easy to dismiss their sacrifice and 'ignore' what Israel is doing in Palestine, I think not. In fact I would go as far to say by ignoring what Israel are doing is an insult to those that died giving us our freedom. You are the one saying the Israel Gaza conflict is a genocidal war, many disagree with that take on it, so in order to be for all who died you have to remove it from any cause alone, past or present. We could make remembrance day about Lee Rigby but that would be diverting from the day which is for all, irrespective of what cause they died in aid of. You want to make it special, which it is not most especially as it is a day for the British Military who are not involved in Gaza in any way. Our government does not support a genocidal war but does support the Israeli right to respond. As I said you may disagree, there are many things I disagree with but I would not interfere with the act of remembrance most especially as my wife's father came through 5 years, she remembers his conflict for years afterwatrds but he came home, many of his friends did not. You think 10,000 plus with intent is not genocide, how many does it need to be? Remembrance day is a worldwide event celebrating the heroes that died ensuring our freedom from tyranny. Our government supplies arms to Israel. Why is it so difficult to understand? |
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