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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 8:27:13 GMT
Given that 'hurt' is less serious than 'destroy' I achieved my objective in the context that I meant it... If your objective was to lie and misrepresent then yes, you achieved it. You are supporting genocide by not calling out Israel. The genocide you just invented, while supporting those chanting "From the river to the sea". The supporter of genocide is you. They are a set of words - Israel has cornered the expression as it did with anti Semitism, meaning anti-Jewish which it does not. "The slogan is open to an array of interpretations, from the genocidal to the democratic. It reflects the complexity and sensitivity of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which has been ongoing for decades and has no easy solution. The slogan also raises questions about the meaning and boundaries of Palestine and Israel, and the rights and aspirations of their peoples". How have I supported genocide, I am calling out Israel. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 8:31:57 GMT
You obviously know nothing about the geography of the area. I haven't invented the genocide you are ignoring it. Why do you think the Israeli military have armed Israeli civilians in the West Bank who are killing civilians and stealing their homes, Hamas does not operate in the West Bank. I've heard nothing about that other than from you. And I won't be taking your biased word for it. Look it up then. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 8:38:21 GMT
This is an ongoing genocide, that's what the protests are about. But our military are not involved and the genocide aspect is a moot point. So upsetting families and friends of deceased service personnel is fine and dandy in a protest as regards a foreign war. We have no control over Israel and even less control over HAMAS Our military does not have to be involved, is that really an excuse for supporting it? We arm Israel to the tune of billions of pounds, Israel are killing a child every 10 minutes in Gaza, to say we are not involved is cowardice. Listen to the 'honesty' of Israeli ministers and their determination to leave nothing alive inside Gaza if you doubt the genocide. We could stop supplying them with arms for a start and call for a ceasefire. The people we are honouring on remembrance day died to stop a tyrannical country committing genocide, while we support a tyrannical country committing genocide. Can't you see the hypocrisy. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 8:43:27 GMT
How would it be a compromise, nobody should ever compromise on the truth. Israel are doing what the hero's of this country fought and died to prevent, we are the hypocrites. Living in peace and remembering our dead is the truth. You want to disturb that with your hate marches. Have some fucking respect. I see you are a big fan of Braverman. Protests are not hate marches they are marches against hate. I respect the people that died so I would not live in an apartheid state under a government that committed genocide. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 5, 2023 8:45:23 GMT
Living in peace and remembering our dead is the truth. You want to disturb that with your hate marches. Have some fucking respect. I see you are a big fan of Braverman. Protests are not hate marches they are marches against hate. I respect the people that died so I would not live in an apartheid state under a government that committed genocide. You are a disrespectful, racist bigot. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 5, 2023 8:54:37 GMT
But our military are not involved and the genocide aspect is a moot point. So upsetting families and friends of deceased service personnel is fine and dandy in a protest as regards a foreign war. We have no control over Israel and even less control over HAMAS Our military does not have to be involved, is that really an excuse for supporting it? We arm Israel to the tune of billions of pounds, Israel are killing a child every 10 minutes in Gaza, to say we are not involved is cowardice. Listen to the 'honesty' of Israeli ministers and their determination to leave nothing alive inside Gaza if you doubt the genocide. We could stop supplying them with arms for a start and call for a ceasefire. The people we are honouring on remembrance day died to stop a tyrannical country committing genocide, while we support a tyrannical country committing genocide. Can't you see the hypocrisy. As it happens I can, but if you allow yourself to become militant over it you play into all the wrong hands. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 8:57:58 GMT
I see you are a big fan of Braverman. Protests are not hate marches they are marches against hate. I respect the people that died so I would not live in an apartheid state under a government that committed genocide. You are a disrespectful, racist bigot. Are you seriously suggesting we should not have fought against genocide? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 8:59:29 GMT
Our military does not have to be involved, is that really an excuse for supporting it? We arm Israel to the tune of billions of pounds, Israel are killing a child every 10 minutes in Gaza, to say we are not involved is cowardice. Listen to the 'honesty' of Israeli ministers and their determination to leave nothing alive inside Gaza if you doubt the genocide. We could stop supplying them with arms for a start and call for a ceasefire. The people we are honouring on remembrance day died to stop a tyrannical country committing genocide, while we support a tyrannical country committing genocide. Can't you see the hypocrisy. As it happens I can, but if you allow yourself to become militant over it you play into all the wrong hands. That is, unfortunately a possibility but truth thrives in the sunlight and if people don't call out Israel we all lose something of ourselves. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 5, 2023 9:01:35 GMT
As it happens I can, but if you allow yourself to become militant over it you play into all the wrong hands. That is, unfortunately a possibility but truth thrives in the sunlight and if people don't call out Israel we all lose something of ourselves. No it doesn't have to be a possibility, only if you lose your head over it. Which lets be fair lots of people already have. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 5, 2023 9:03:59 GMT
Well why did our soldiers die in Afghanistan and in Iraq and in WW1? Where was the protection from 'genocide' that they fought for? Causes vary but the people are the important aspect of remembrance. We cannot remember all causes but we can remember the people and in whose name they were risking their lives. This is an ongoing genocide, that's what the protests are about. Genocide is what Hamas indulged in on 7th Oct, deliberately seeking out civilians and killing them, a decision based upon their hatred of the Jews / Israelis. That was war against the people of Israel, the attacks on Hamas is the continuation of that war. As much as I hate what the Israelis are doing, I can understand why they are doing it i.e. 7/10. It is fair comment to call for a ceasefire, BUT WILL SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN JUST WHAT THE ISRAELIS SHOULD HAVE DONE ABOUT THE MASSACRE OF THEIR PEOPLE on the 7th Oct? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 9:15:05 GMT
This is an ongoing genocide, that's what the protests are about. Genocide is what Hamas indulged in on 7th Oct, deliberately seeking out civilians and killing them, a decision based upon their hatred of the Jews / Israelis. That was war against the people of Israel, the attacks on Hamas is the continuation of that war. As much as I hate what the Israelis are doing, I can understand why they are doing it i.e. 7/10. It is fair comment to call for a ceasefire, BUT WILL SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN JUST WHAT THE ISRAELIS SHOULD HAVE DONE ABOUT THE MASSACRE OF THEIR PEOPLE on the 7th Oct? "As much as I hate what the Israelis are doing, I can understand why they are doing it i.e. 7/10." This sentence says a whole lot more than you think and by the way I repeat 'what Hamas did was a crime against humanity". You can understand why the Israeli's are committing genocide and blame it on Hamas but the Palestinians have been murdered and abused for decades by Israel, if you understand one how can you ignore the other? "The Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been ongoing for decades, with both sides experiencing significant loss of life. However, recent data from the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) shows that since 2005, 96% of deaths have been Palestinian." |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 5, 2023 9:26:42 GMT
You are a disrespectful, racist bigot. Are you seriously suggesting we should not have fought against genocide? I am suggesting that you are a disrespectful, racist bigot. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 9:32:45 GMT
Are you seriously suggesting we should not have fought against genocide? I am suggesting that you are a disrespectful, racist bigot. How am I a racist? How am I a bigot? How am I disrespectful? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 10:45:21 GMT
With regards to my neighbouring MP "Andy McDonald", the Number One question has got to be .. Did Andy McDonald understand the implications or HIDDEN MEANING of the phrase "from the river to the sea" ?
I ask this question for the simple reason that as a reasonably inteligent person, I had absolutely no idea that it is supposedly, or reputedly a term used by those who wish to see Isreal cleared from the map altogether. Let us all be honest, did YOU realise that this is apparently what the term means. ?
LITERAL MEANING - Simply means from the River Jordan to the Meditarranian Sea, and if you study a map of Israel, you will see clearly that it is possible for two states to exist side by side, both with borders on the River Jordan and the Mediterranian Sea.
Keir Starmer is in a very difficult position, balancing diametrically oppsing views, and after theatmosphere of antisemitism which haunted the party under Jeremy Corbyn, Starmer has to tread extremely carefuly and reasure the many Jewish supporters and members of the party.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 5, 2023 11:38:27 GMT
I think McDonalds problem is that once it was highlighted what the phrase meant he didn't withdraw it but doubled down.
he wasn't looking for agreement or consensus.
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