The way out?

Well I do wonder about that in your case. Because you have yet to respond effectively to the issue of Jewish settler land thefts and what should be done about it, neither producing any justification for it nor even acknowledging there is anything wrong with it. Yet you seem as ever to want us all to believe that you are the only unbiased one around here.

You're taking the piss, aren't you?

You're the one taking the piss by not looking at the full picture of the Jews in Palestine, and in playing your mind games as if you can read my mind. You have a definite problem.

What is your justification for the Jewish settler land thefts then? You have still to respond to this point. If you think they are right to steal this land then do tell us why. If not, why do you not acknowledge that fact? That you apparently cannot and will not recognise any fault at all on the Israeli side gives the lie to your much vaunted lack of bias.

The conversation around Jewish settler land thefts is, if you do your homework a complex one, because it too dates back over a thousand years.

Until recent times, Jews had never used violence to take any land within Israel. This may sound absurd but if you look up the facts you'll fine that until recent times, this notion of settlement has always been the other way around. There are dozens of villages that Palestinian Arabs have stolen or burned around Israel up until 1947.


In fact, you'll struggle to name a single village that the jews stole from the Arabs from the year 636 (when the Arab Caliphate colonised Israel), until 1947 when the Arabs started a war to wipe out the Jews. That's more than 1,000 years of history and the Jews being under Arab oppression for you to go at.

Now you could point out that two wrongs don't make a right, and I of course would agree, but this just goes to show that Palestinian Arabs are as guilty in this as people are critical of Israel - it's just a lack of knowledge in this field that produces hypocrasy on the subject.

And this is why, if the two people are to move forward, looking at the past and trying to score points isn't going to work, because both sides have their hands washed in blood.

No.....it is a historical fact resulting from defeat. Too long has passed to reverse that. The demographic changes were forced through by a totalitarian regime.

But the Israeli settler land thefts are both more recent and still ongoing. Are you seriously trying to say that seizing someone else's land is justified by past Soviet behaviour? Seriously?

And can you not see that there will never be peace as long as Israel keeps stealing Arab lands? You seem to be another one of those for whom Israel can do no wrong, even when it does.

If you have to use Soviet land thefts and ethnic cleansing to justify Israels' land thefts, you are truly desperate.

And I am still waiting for see 2's justification of the land thefts. Either he has none so ignores the issue, or he is about to entertain us with a justification as pathetic as yours.

What you say is true of many Arabs perhaps but not all. Some of them sought peace on the basis of a two state solution, when Israel's leaders sought the same. The latter was murdered for it. 

But it works both ways. Israel needs to recognise the rights of the Palestinians to their own state, and halt the settler land thefts. There has to be give and take on both sides. The Palestinians will not just roll over and accept the status quo for as long as they are being herded into diminishing areas by settler land thefts. Were this being done to the Jews there would be talk of ghettoization.

Yes but they were not in the majority. Fatah were overwhelmingly popular when they rejected the 2 State solution offered in 2000 - should that majority support have been ignored?