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Post by see2 on Nov 3, 2023 18:55:53 GMT
I’m sure Hamas has enough innocent civilians in the tunnels for you to claim that Israel has committed a war crime if they gas or flood them What a great example of creating a truth you have no proof of, in order to avoid answering a valid question. Hurling missiles has not destroyed any tunnels except one mentioned by Israel. If the Israeli programme of bombing hospitals and killing children is to be justified, Israel must show it is working. I would think this response of Israel is far from proportionate when other means have not been tried. But Israel has never responded proportionately to attacks, including the illegal use of white phosphorus last time. The illegal use of white phosphorus has to be proven, it is a legal weapon against an enemy where no civilians are involved, was the presence of civilians proven? Just asking. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 3, 2023 19:07:24 GMT
I’m sure Hamas has enough innocent civilians in the tunnels for you to claim that Israel has committed a war crime if they gas or flood them What a great example of creating a truth you have no proof of, in order to avoid answering a valid question. Hurling missiles has not destroyed any tunnels except one mentioned by Israel. If the Israeli programme of bombing hospitals and killing children is to be justified, Israel must show it is working. I would think this response of Israel is far from proportionate when other means have not been tried. But Israel has never responded proportionately to attacks, including the illegal use of white phosphorus last time. I avoided nothing . I made a valid point. You..You dont get rid of moles by stomping on the ground above their tunnels. You find an entrance and either flood or gas the tunnels. |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 3, 2023 22:11:54 GMT
What a great example of creating a truth you have no proof of, in order to avoid answering a valid question. Hurling missiles has not destroyed any tunnels except one mentioned by Israel. If the Israeli programme of bombing hospitals and killing children is to be justified, Israel must show it is working. I would think this response of Israel is far from proportionate when other means have not been tried. But Israel has never responded proportionately to attacks, including the illegal use of white phosphorus last time. The illegal use of white phosphorus has to be proven, it is a legal weapon against an enemy where no civilians are involved, was the presence of civilians proven? Just asking. It was in the courtyard of a UN school in Gaza. And Israel continues to use it. www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/12/white-phosphorus-israel-gaza-strike-video/Do your own research. |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 3, 2023 22:15:54 GMT
What a great example of creating a truth you have no proof of, in order to avoid answering a valid question. Hurling missiles has not destroyed any tunnels except one mentioned by Israel. If the Israeli programme of bombing hospitals and killing children is to be justified, Israel must show it is working. I would think this response of Israel is far from proportionate when other means have not been tried. But Israel has never responded proportionately to attacks, including the illegal use of white phosphorus last time. I avoided nothing . I made a valid point. You..You dont get rid of moles by stomping on the ground above their tunnels. You find an entrance and either flood or gas the tunnels. You didnt make a point at all. Why is Israel shelling above ground when they know where the tunnels are?? The tunnels will never be destroyed from the surfzce. Looks like collective punishment to me. Or at best Israel has dome really stupid military chiefs. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 3, 2023 22:19:57 GMT
I avoided nothing . I made a valid point. You..You dont get rid of moles by stomping on the ground above their tunnels. You find an entrance and either flood or gas the tunnels. You didnt make a point at all. Why is Israel shelling above ground when they know where the tunnels are?? The tunnels will never be destroyed from the surfzce. Looks like collective punishment to me. Or at best Israel has dome really stupid military chiefs. Which brings us back to your suggested method of destroying those inside …and me pointing out that you might claim that this was a war crime . |
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Post by see2 on Nov 3, 2023 23:11:30 GMT
You made the claim, I had every right to ask. It seems that it ' appears to be the case'. The only middle east article that I can find says " putting civilians at risk of serious and long-term injuries". So not a direct accusation of use on civilians. We will soon find out if civilians were affected. I don't agree with giving any newspaper any of my personal information. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2023 23:49:22 GMT
It may invoke feelies, but it is meaningless, so yes, it changes nothing. If somebody is about to shoot you, would you shoot first? Does that action make you an extremist even if you still ended up getting shot? Does it even matter? Whether you wanted to shoot that person or not didn't matter, it became a no-choice scenario.
I'm glad that someone gets it.
I honestly think that, sooner or later, the nuclear option may become the only option.
Especially if Israel ends up fighting on two fronts.
I hope you're wrong, but it's obvous that there are people who are getting their hands on technology that isn't really theirs. People who believe in some crazy judgement day and the fairy land world of the afterlife having that sort of technology is going to lead to destruction. Even America went apeshit with them once upon a time. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 4, 2023 4:57:57 GMT
If a nuclear strike was used then The West would need to deal with the Islamic fifty columns within their counties . They may need to deal with them anyway .That would be my guess.
It'll be interesting to see what happens come the 11th November "Protests".
It may give an indication of the scale of the problem.
Well as per usal it has jug ears blessing.
Gary Lineker criticises Suella Braverman for branding a planned Pro-Palestinian demo on Armistice Day as a 'hate march' as BBC presenter says those taking part just want a 'ceasefire and peace'
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 4, 2023 9:31:11 GMT
You made the claim, I had every right to ask. It seems that it ' appears to be the case'. The only middle east article that I can find says " putting civilians at risk of serious and long-term injuries". So not a direct accusation of use on civilians. We will soon find out if civilians were affected. I don't agree with giving any newspaper any of my personal information. So your threshold of proof is deep burns on flayed skin of people who happened to be in the area at the time. Just how far does your eternal perfect forgiveness go? Why is Israel bombing surface targets when Hamas is deep underground in tunnels if this isnt collective punishment of innocents? Israel knows where the tunnels are. I really have no idea how Israel thinks all this will accomplish whatever it says it wants...to destroy Hamas. If the tunnels are under a building, why destroy the building and not the tunnel? All this will do is that Hamas regroup, rename and make more alliances based on the visible pointless overkill perpetrated by Israel. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 4, 2023 11:59:54 GMT
You made the claim, I had every right to ask. It seems that it ' appears to be the case'. The only middle east article that I can find says " putting civilians at risk of serious and long-term injuries". So not a direct accusation of use on civilians. We will soon find out if civilians were affected. I don't agree with giving any newspaper any of my personal information. So your threshold of proof is deep burns on flayed skin of people who happened to be in the area at the time. Just how far does your eternal perfect forgiveness go?Why is Israel bombing surface targets when Hamas is deep underground in tunnels if this isnt collective punishment of innocents? Israel knows where the tunnels are. I really have no idea how Israel thinks all this will accomplish whatever it says it wants...to destroy Hamas. If the tunnels are under a building, why destroy the building and not the tunnel? All this will do is that Hamas regroup, rename and make more alliances based on the visible pointless overkill perpetrated by Israel. My threshold of proof is the evidence that phosphorus was used on civilians. That is what the Law requires. Your arrogantly false insinuating question undermines your credibility. You should be asking the Israelis what their "bombing" tactics are based upon, just asking an insinuating question about something you have no information on makes no sense. You seem to think that the Israelis have a clear surgical and fully controlled access to the tunnels, and that does not appear to be the case. Your last comment is of course just what Hamas want. Even if Hamas gets wiped out there will be many more sick Muslim terrorists willing to take their place in hating the Israelis and that was true even before the Israeli action. Because Hamas use the civilians as a human shield, there was no clean surgical way Hamas could be punished for the 7/10 massacre of Israeli citizens. The Israeli tactics are based upon the best way for them to attack Hamas, not on your, sat behind a computer screen, oh they shouldn't be doing that. So what were the Israelis supposed to do about the 7 Nov deliberate search for and the deliberate killing of innocent Israeli citisens, by Hamas ?? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 4, 2023 20:03:00 GMT
That would be my guess.
It'll be interesting to see what happens come the 11th November "Protests".
It may give an indication of the scale of the problem.
Well as per usal it has jug ears blessing.
Gary Lineker criticises Suella Braverman for branding a planned Pro-Palestinian demo on Armistice Day as a 'hate march' as BBC presenter says those taking part just want a 'ceasefire and peace'
Lineker really is a prize cunt. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 5, 2023 9:17:20 GMT
Well as per usal it has jug ears blessing.
Gary Lineker criticises Suella Braverman for branding a planned Pro-Palestinian demo on Armistice Day as a 'hate march' as BBC presenter says those taking part just want a 'ceasefire and peace'
Lineker really is a prize cunt. The problem is that not all successful people OR highly educated people have easy access to commonsense. |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 5, 2023 21:47:45 GMT
So your threshold of proof is deep burns on flayed skin of people who happened to be in the area at the time. Just how far does your eternal perfect forgiveness go?Why is Israel bombing surface targets when Hamas is deep underground in tunnels if this isnt collective punishment of innocents? Israel knows where the tunnels are. I really have no idea how Israel thinks all this will accomplish whatever it says it wants...to destroy Hamas. If the tunnels are under a building, why destroy the building and not the tunnel? All this will do is that Hamas regroup, rename and make more alliances based on the visible pointless overkill perpetrated by Israel. My threshold of proof is the evidence that phosphorus was used on civilians. That is what the Law requires. Your arrogantly false insinuating question undermines your credibility. You should be asking the Israelis what their "bombing" tactics are based upon, just asking an insinuating question about something you have no information on makes no sense. You seem to think that the Israelis have a clear surgical and fully controlled access to the tunnels, and that does not appear to be the case. Your last comment is of course just what Hamas want. Even if Hamas gets wiped out there will be many more sick Muslim terrorists willing to take their place in hating the Israelis and that was true even before the Israeli action. Because Hamas use the civilians as a human shield, there was no clean surgical way Hamas could be punished for the 7/10 massacre of Israeli citizens. The Israeli tactics are based upon the best way for them to attack Hamas, not on your, sat behind a computer screen, oh they shouldn't be doing that. So what were the Israelis supposed to do about the 7 Nov deliberate search for and the deliberate killing of innocent Israeli citisens, by Hamas ??Oh piss off. Of course israel has detailed maps of hamad tunnels. They have made them public. But they dont target them. Instead they target places they SAY hide hamas WITH NO PROOF. How many hamas fighters have Israel killed vs. palestinian children? This "we kill palestininian children because hamas has unproven tunnels under their bedrooms" is abhorrent. Isreal knows where the tunnels are. This is the usual unproportionate response that ALWAYS comes back to the Jewish plea of victimisation justified by history instead of admitting human rights failures and properly wanting a two state ending? |
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Post by see2 on Nov 6, 2023 9:04:31 GMT
My threshold of proof is the evidence that phosphorus was used on civilians. That is what the Law requires. Your arrogantly false insinuating question undermines your credibility. You should be asking the Israelis what their "bombing" tactics are based upon, just asking an insinuating question about something you have no information on makes no sense. You seem to think that the Israelis have a clear surgical and fully controlled access to the tunnels, and that does not appear to be the case. Your last comment is of course just what Hamas want. Even if Hamas gets wiped out there will be many more sick Muslim terrorists willing to take their place in hating the Israelis and that was true even before the Israeli action. Because Hamas use the civilians as a human shield, there was no clean surgical way Hamas could be punished for the 7/10 massacre of Israeli citizens. The Israeli tactics are based upon the best way for them to attack Hamas, not on your, sat behind a computer screen, oh they shouldn't be doing that. So what were the Israelis supposed to do about the 7 Nov deliberate search for and the deliberate killing of innocent Israeli citisens, by Hamas ??Oh piss off. Of course israel has detailed maps of hamad tunnels. They have made them public. But they dont target them. Instead they target places they SAY hide hamas WITH NO PROOF. How many hamas fighters have Israel killed vs. palestinian children? This "we kill palestininian children because hamas has unproven tunnels under their bedrooms" is abhorrent. Isreal knows where the tunnels are. This is the usual unproportionate response that ALWAYS comes back to the Jewish plea of victimisation justified by history instead of admitting human rights failures and properly wanting a two state ending? I don't know about "piss off" but judging by the nonsense you continually post, it could be a case of you being permanently pissed. Hamas claim that some hostages, Hamas fighters plus one Hamas leader has been killed, that sure looks like Israeli bombing Hamas tunnel areas to me. The Jews accepted the Two State solution, the Arabs rejected it and attacked Israel for trying to make it work. You clearly do not know what you are posting about. "The Jewish plea of being the victim"?? You have not got a clue of this subject you pretend to be informed on. IF YOU ever bother to look at the History of the Jews you will see just how wrong you are, and that you have joined the ill-informed that have for hundreds of years always blamed the Jews for anything that went wrong. Shame on you. |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 6, 2023 16:47:33 GMT
I refuse to discuss history. Yours is just one more misinterpretation of it.
So you thiink that 10,000 dead Palestinians are worth 250 Israeli hostages?
And you didnt answer the point i made.
Why is Isreal bombing surface targers when the tunnels are underground?
You keep avoiding the question and shifting the issue back to some point in history you think is useful to your defense of Israeli land theft...which in fact you have avoided completely.
Be careful who you accuse of not knowing history. You dont know who you are talking to.
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