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Post by Einhorn on Nov 9, 2022 10:39:25 GMT
Those who think Brexit was wrong aren't required to stop saying they think it was wrong. As has been pointed out by others, when a political party wins an election, the losing side doesn't say 'fair enough, you won't hear from us again until another 5 years when the next election is held'. They form the opposition and continue with their opposition to the government's policies. We oppose Brexit and we're not going away. Especially now that the Tories are on their way out. For the first time in years, there is a real prospect of the UK rejoining the CU and the SM. I haven't seen any opposition party wanting to rejoin the EU though. I see no real prospect of the UK rejoining the CU and SM anytime soon either - wishful thinking. You can carry on trying to divide the nation but don't whinge that it is divided and is politically unstable then in comparison to Switzerland like you did. Yep, the leadership don't want to rejoin, but the rank and file are very much in favour of rejoining the SM and CU. It's said that we are about to head into the country's longest ever recession. The powers that be may rejoin just to kickstart the economy. The longer the recession lasts, the stronger the pressure will be. Who knows? By the way, I didn't whinge about anything. I merely pointed out the absurdity of comparing the UK to Switzerland. As I said, the UK is the anti-Switzerland. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 9, 2022 19:55:57 GMT
That is an interesting statement. If true why has the EU surrounded itself with the largest tariff wall of any trading bloc in the world? - doesn't it want to make its people better off?. Well argued. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 9, 2022 20:42:06 GMT
That is an interesting statement. If true why has the EU surrounded itself with the largest tariff wall of any trading bloc in the world? - doesn't it want to make its people better off?. No, it's not well argued, especially in the very specific context of Switzerland. Farm produce tariffs into the EU are 7%, while farm produce tariffs into Switzerland are almost 30%. Not only are EU tariffs relatively very low, they put no tariffs on goods coming from developing African nations. Aren't they sweet? www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44291103 |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 9, 2022 22:34:58 GMT
No, it's not well argued, especially in the very specific context of Switzerland. Farm produce tariffs into the EU are 7%, while farm produce tariffs into Switzerland are almost 30%. Not only are EU tariffs relatively very low, they put no tariffs on goods coming from developing African nations. Aren't they sweet?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44291103Not really as they know there will not be very much competition from developing African nations. If the EU actually believed gnomes contention then they would open their borders to countries that produce cheaper food than EU producers.. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 9, 2022 22:39:01 GMT
No, it's not well argued, especially in the very specific context of Switzerland. Farm produce tariffs into the EU are 7%, while farm produce tariffs into Switzerland are almost 30%. Not only are EU tariffs relatively very low, they put no tariffs on goods coming from developing African nations. Aren't they sweet?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44291103Not really as they know there will not be very much competition from developing African nations. If the EU actually believed gnomes contention then they would open their borders to countries that produce cheaper food than EU producers.. No, they're absolute sweethearts! They're helping out African economies, thus keeping the numbers of economic migrants down. You and Nigel should be grateful. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 9, 2022 22:45:07 GMT
Not really as they know there will not be very much competition from developing African nations. If the EU actually believed gnomes contention then they would open their borders to countries that produce cheaper food than EU producers.. No, they're absolute sweethearts! They're helping out African economies, thus keeping the numbers of economic migrants down. You and Nigel should be grateful. If the EU wish to help African migrants they can put a stop to them crossing the Channel. After all you keep telling us how better the EU is compared to the UK so if you kept all your African migrants you would be doing them a favour. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 9, 2022 22:50:48 GMT
No, they're absolute sweethearts! They're helping out African economies, thus keeping the numbers of economic migrants down. You and Nigel should be grateful. If the EU wish to help African migrants they can put a stop to them crossing the Channel. After all you keep telling us how better the EU is compared to the UK so if you kept all your African migrants you would be doing them a favour. The EU isn't going to arrange it's internal affairs to accommodate a small island off its coast, just as the UK isn't going to arrange its internal affairs to accommodate the Isle of Wight. A hefty percentage of these migrants could have been returned under the Dublin Regulations. You and Nigel screwed that up. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 10, 2022 6:36:54 GMT
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 10, 2022 7:51:01 GMT
No, it's not well argued, especially in the very specific context of Switzerland. Farm produce tariffs into the EU are 7%, while farm produce tariffs into Switzerland are almost 30%. Not only are EU tariffs relatively very low, they put no tariffs on goods coming from developing African nations. Aren't they sweet? www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44291103That's actually true. In fact most tariffs nowadays are low - except where countries are deliberately trying to stop trade or punish a country. The thing is that when the Common Market was originally set up tariffs were much higher than they are now, which is why we wanted to join the EU - and were even willing to pay through the nose for the privilege of free trade. However as world-wide tariffs have gradually declined we were in the strange position of paying MORE for free trade within the EU than we would have paid if were outside the EU and simply paying WTO tariffs to trade with the EU. Most people never noticed that.  Your point about the people wanting to rejoin the SM and CU is nonsense though. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 10, 2022 11:26:47 GMT
No good deed goes unpunished, as they say. The EU allows tariff-free imports of unprocessed farm produce from Africa into its market, and then face criticism for not allowing processed produce in. The EU discourages genetically modified crops, and is chastised for it. It's not easy being saintly these days. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 10, 2022 11:30:16 GMT
No, it's not well argued, especially in the very specific context of Switzerland. Farm produce tariffs into the EU are 7%, while farm produce tariffs into Switzerland are almost 30%. Not only are EU tariffs relatively very low, they put no tariffs on goods coming from developing African nations. Aren't they sweet? www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44291103That's actually true. In fact most tariffs nowadays are low - except where countries are deliberately trying to stop trade or punish a country. The thing is that when the Common Market was originally set up tariffs were much higher than they are now, which is why we wanted to join the EU - and were even willing to pay through the nose for the privilege of free trade. However as world-wide tariffs have gradually declined we were in the strange position of paying MORE for free trade within the EU than we would have paid if were outside the EU and simply paying WTO tariffs to trade with the EU. Most people never noticed that. Your point about the people wanting to rejoin the SM and CU is nonsense though. So, you're saying that the UK would face fewer trading obstacles with the EU if it traded with it on WTO terms? |
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Post by bancroft on Nov 10, 2022 12:32:38 GMT
The EU does have other restrictions so it is not a simple comparison There's more to trade barriers than tariffs, however. The other things that exporters have to contend with are known collectively as - surprisingly enough - non-tariff barriers (NTBs). They include product standards, health and safety regulations, and labelling requirements. In many service industries there are licensing requirements and restrictions on who is eligible for authorisation. Although suppliers may have to comply with such rules in their home market, if they want to sell into a country where the rules are different there is likely to be additional cost. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44291103 |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 10, 2022 13:46:38 GMT
The EU does have other restrictions so it is not a simple comparison There's more to trade barriers than tariffs, however. The other things that exporters have to contend with are known collectively as - surprisingly enough - non-tariff barriers (NTBs). They include product standards, health and safety regulations, and labelling requirements. In many service industries there are licensing requirements and restrictions on who is eligible for authorisation. Although suppliers may have to comply with such rules in their home market, if they want to sell into a country where the rules are different there is likely to be additional cost. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44291103Yep, the EU sought to remove non-tariff barriers, working on the absurdly obvious premise that the removal of non-tariff barriers would enable more trade between nations, thus enriching them. What are non-tariff barriers? Well, the most obvious one is different standards. How do you solve that? You introduce standard laws across the EU. What happened when the EU tried to make everyone richer by introducing standard laws across the EU? Nigel Farage and his mates complained that the UK's sovereignty was being undermined. What happens when you deviate from the standard rules and laws of your biggest market? Your products become more expensive and your biggest market buys less. Has that happened? Yes. Luckily, the UK can sell cheaper because of its workers' high productivity levels ... oh, wait! So, higher trade barriers and low productivity - welcome to the sunlit uplands! |
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Post by bancroft on Nov 10, 2022 14:04:10 GMT
Well in earlier times there was that argument about the EU's straight banana............
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 10, 2022 14:04:10 GMT
So, you're saying that the UK would face fewer trading obstacles with the EU if it traded with it on WTO terms? No. I'm saying that original reason for joining the EU (or Common Market as it was then) was to avoid costly tariffs. Over the years tariffs have gone down, our EU contributions have gone up, and the proportion of trade we do with the EU has gone down - and continues to go down. What had been a cost effective agreement had turned into a liability - both financially and in terms of the legislation we have had forced on us for no gain. Yet nobody seems to understand this. I never said that there would be fewer obstacles to trade. The nature of the EU Commission is that it puts obstacles in the way of "Third party nations". We've been subjected to the most ridiculous bureaucracy where the EU refuses to move into the digital era and demands paper documents for every lorry. And these documents have to be ln the language of each country that the lorry has to travel through. And if anything is wrong the lorry is turned back. (e.g. one example is where the multi-language documents were numbered sequentially rather than beginning at 1 for each language). It's just bad faith on the part of the EU. They want to slow everything down to punish us for leaving. I think it's just more proof we were right to leave. |
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