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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 4, 2022 21:20:55 GMT
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Post by Toreador on Nov 4, 2022 21:33:32 GMT
I'm sure there are threads that you could have found to accommodate your post, or do you just like sliding another bead across the abacus?
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Post by colbops on Nov 4, 2022 22:18:15 GMT
Pointless non story
If nothing changes between now and the next election, sure. Lots of things might happen between now and then to change the outlook though.
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 5, 2022 7:12:32 GMT
I was listening to Professor Matthew Goodwin - who's one of the few academics who isn't a Leftie. He's also a pollster. He said that the Tories now have an existential crisis and if they don't find some way of addressing the illegal migrant problem they will lose most of their seats. He said that it wouldn't be a matter of former Tory voters switching to Labour or the Lib Dems - who are both basically in favour of open borders - but just not voting. Basically, a plague on all your houses. Some may move to the Reform party.
But basically if they don't stop the boats they'll be wiped out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 7:23:24 GMT
I was listening to Professor Matthew Goodwin - who's one of the few academics who isn't a Leftie. He's also a pollster. He said that the Tories now have an existential crisis and if they don't find some way of addressing the illegal migrant problem they will lose most of their seats. He said that it wouldn't be a matter of former Tory voters switching to Labour or the Lib Dems - who are both basically in favour of open borders - but just not voting. Basically, a plague on all your houses. Some may move to the Reform party. But basically if they don't stop the boats they'll be wiped out. The easiest way to stop the boats is simply to allow asylum seekers to apply for asylum here from abroad, and allow in those granted it. We can then detain and deport anyone coming in illegally. The fact that asylum seekers are coming here in such numbers illegally is that there is no legal route of entry for those seeking asylum. Yes we need to process them a lot quicker, and promptly deport the failed ones. Currently the process is far too slow with far too few being processed, creating a huge backlog of ever more people in this country waiting to be processed. Home office cuts are highly likely to be a principle cause. We need more investment in more staff. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 5, 2022 7:44:18 GMT
I was listening to Professor Matthew Goodwin - who's one of the few academics who isn't a Leftie. He's also a pollster. He said that the Tories now have an existential crisis and if they don't find some way of addressing the illegal migrant problem they will lose most of their seats. He said that it wouldn't be a matter of former Tory voters switching to Labour or the Lib Dems - who are both basically in favour of open borders - but just not voting. Basically, a plague on all your houses. Some may move to the Reform party. But basically if they don't stop the boats they'll be wiped out. The easiest way to stop the boats is simply to allow asylum seekers to apply for asylum here from abroad, and allow in those granted it. We can then detain and deport anyone coming in illegally. The fact that asylum seekers are coming here in such numbers illegally is that there is no legal route of entry for those seeking asylum. Deport them to where?. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 8:20:54 GMT
I was listening to Professor Matthew Goodwin - who's one of the few academics who isn't a Leftie. He's also a pollster. He said that the Tories now have an existential crisis and if they don't find some way of addressing the illegal migrant problem they will lose most of their seats. He said that it wouldn't be a matter of former Tory voters switching to Labour or the Lib Dems - who are both basically in favour of open borders - but just not voting. Basically, a plague on all your houses. Some may move to the Reform party. But basically if they don't stop the boats they'll be wiped out. The easiest way to stop the boats is simply to allow asylum seekers to apply for asylum here from abroad, and allow in those granted it. We can then detain and deport anyone coming in illegally. The fact that asylum seekers are coming here in such numbers illegally is that there is no legal route of entry for those seeking asylum. Yes we need to process them a lot quicker, and promptly deport the failed ones. Currently the process is far too slow with far too few being processed, creating a huge backlog of ever more people in this country waiting to be processed. Home office cuts are highly likely to be a principle cause. We need more investment in more staff. The processing system is slower now than it was 5 years ago, That tells me all I need to know. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 8:22:24 GMT
The easiest way to stop the boats is simply to allow asylum seekers to apply for asylum here from abroad, and allow in those granted it. We can then detain and deport anyone coming in illegally. The fact that asylum seekers are coming here in such numbers illegally is that there is no legal route of entry for those seeking asylum. Deport them to where?. Back to where they came from? If we have supplied legal means of claiming asylum beforehand. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 5, 2022 8:25:38 GMT
Back to where they came from? If we have supplied legal means of claiming asylum beforehand. so why cant we deport them there now? - after all it matters not where you claim asylum from, it is what happens when that asylum is refused. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 21:21:33 GMT
Back to where they came from? If we have supplied legal means of claiming asylum beforehand. so why cant we deport them there now? - after all it matters not where you claim asylum from, it is what happens when that asylum is refused. It is legally and morally questionable to deport anyone unless their asylum claim has been assessed and turned down. Once it has been turned down they of course should be deported. If they are not being, why is this? |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 5, 2022 21:47:32 GMT
so why cant we deport them there now? - after all it matters not where you claim asylum from, it is what happens when that asylum is refused. It is legally and morally questionable to deport anyone unless their asylum claim has been assessed and turned down. Once it has been turned down they of course should be deported. If they are not being, why is this? Well a range of reasons from our Legal aid system, our flawed human rights legislation, other countries not wanting them etc etc But none of that is going to be cured by accepting asylum requests from an office in France (or anywhere else) |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 6, 2022 0:21:26 GMT
· In 2021, 81% of those entering immigration detention had previously claimed asyl
Dose deportation ot Asylum seekers work does it stop them from trying again.
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 6, 2022 1:22:00 GMT
It will all depend on what happens next year, there are numerous variables:
If they get inflation under control and the economy doesn't completely tank then the gap might close.
The Eurozone is also on a cliff edge, if there is another sovereign debt crisis then that will be a Brexit positive.
There is also the small matter of the manifestos. Starmer has backed himself into a corner with his "fiscal responsibility stance". When his windfall taxes and non-dom policies are put under scrutiny he is going to have a big problem. There is no way he can balance the books with "taking the rich more" policies.
I'm guessing the gap closes and a Lab/LibDem/SNP coalition gets into power... and then bye bye Scotland, and Starmer goes down in history as the man that destroyed the Union lol.
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 6, 2022 9:28:04 GMT
I don't see any evidence that Scotland would vote to leave, even if they were granted a referendum.
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 6, 2022 9:39:33 GMT
The illegal migrants are a big problem for this government and unless they get to grips with it they'll be punished at the next GE.
Having said that Starmer/Labour haven't come up with any plans either, yet again NO policies, they have the same stance with Brexit, the War in Ukraine, the cost of living crisis, soaring inflation, energy price hikes, mortgage/rent hikes ....... The Clueless Labour party.
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