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Post by zanygame on Oct 19, 2023 7:23:50 GMT
I was listening to a program the other day on voting campaigns and as part of it they considered Brexit.
There was a claim that the reason they got it so wrong was that a large number of leave voters were non partisan.
That these were older people who had become dissatisfied with all parties over their years of voting and were just wanting a chance of change.
Almost anything to press a reset on the country.
I was a remain voter, so I didn't have this, but I wondered how many you leave voters agree with the statement above.
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Post by Dogburger on Oct 19, 2023 7:50:15 GMT
Maybe . The main parties had let us down badly with EU integration going at full speed after Lisbon ,nobody seemed to want to put the brakes on ,so the electorate did .
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 19, 2023 8:20:48 GMT
I just remember the absolute abuse people kopped if they came out considering Brexit. Project fear didn't help along with all the vitriol either.
That's where they lost it IMO.
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 19, 2023 9:35:55 GMT
Older people use the old school values (label them racists if you want), and if there was a high proportion of older people voting to leave the EU I highly expect immigration was top of their list.
They never bought in to this 'multicultural' Tony Blair/Labour ideology, controlled migration yes, open boarders NO.
We can now see the problems uncontrolled migration causes, if people want to come to the UK we have a legal progress to do so, and the process is to ensure we are getting the right sort of migrants, the government has a duty to protect its citizens, and so far they are failing to do so with the influx of boat people.
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 19, 2023 12:12:47 GMT
The govt "lost" the vote on Brexit because their campaign was totally negative. They couldn't find a single positive thing to say about staying in the EU. So they lost. Coincidentally in the Switzerland referendum on their joining the EEA their govt followed exactly the same negative campaign. And they also lost. In each case the govt couldn't find a single positive thing to say about the EU so they relied on total lies about the dire effect of leaving the EU or not joining the EEA. In both cases the govt lost and their claims proved to be completely wrong.
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 19, 2023 12:29:36 GMT
The govt "lost" the vote on Brexit because their campaign was totally negative. They couldn't find a single positive thing to say about staying in the EU. So they lost. Coincidentally in the Switzerland referendum on their joining the EEA their govt followed exactly the same negative campaign. And they also lost. In each case the govt couldn't find a single positive thing to say about the EU so they relied on total lies about the dire effect of leaving the EU or not joining the EEA. In both cases the govt lost and their claims proved to be completely wrong. In fairness they did ask protesting remoaners the other week what they miss about the EU, and after a week one old lady did come up with ONE reason, she can't buy her German tablecloths any more. |
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Post by ratcliff on Oct 19, 2023 12:34:38 GMT
The govt "lost" the vote on Brexit because their campaign was totally negative. They couldn't find a single positive thing to say about staying in the EU. So they lost. Coincidentally in the Switzerland referendum on their joining the EEA their govt followed exactly the same negative campaign. And they also lost. In each case the govt couldn't find a single positive thing to say about the EU so they relied on total lies about the dire effect of leaving the EU or not joining the EEA. In both cases the govt lost and their claims proved to be completely wrong. In fairness they did ask protesting remoaners the other week what they miss about the EU, and after a week one old lady did come up with ONE reason, she can't buy her German tablecloths any more. Can't she get them posted on the internet? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 19, 2023 12:36:36 GMT
In fairness they did ask protesting remoaners the other week what they miss about the EU, and after a week one old lady did come up with ONE reason, she can't buy her German tablecloths any more. Can't she get them posted on the internet? I don't know.
But it was the best they could come up with.... LOL
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 19, 2023 13:06:59 GMT
I was listening to a program the other day on voting campaigns and as part of it they considered Brexit. There was a claim that the reason they got it so wrong was that a large number of leave voters were non partisan. That these were older people who had become dissatisfied with all parties over their years of voting and were just wanting a chance of change. Almost anything to press a reset on the country. I was a remain voter, so I didn't have this, but I wondered how many you leave voters agree with the statement above. No i don’t see it that way at all. I have sat and watched powerless as euro federalists have ratcheted and ratcheted.”, and UK EU lovers have sucked it up, and we have become more and more embroiled. I sat and watched major lie his arse off about how we would continue to hold power ceding it only where necessary and then watched the Eu arselickers rejoice at demands control be given to the EU in the name of the single market I waited over forty years to tell the EU to go fuck itself and i went iut and told it to do so because i fucking hated everything it had become. And no amount of remoaner bullshit that i voted that way because i hated all of our own government options will change the fact i voted to leave in order to take back the right to elect a British government to run britain My only problem is the scum that got elected didn’t see it that way and did their fucking utmost to screw me over and it took electing BoJo to put a stop to that. If tbe scum in SW1A had done what they fucking promised …….. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 19, 2023 18:10:30 GMT
I was hoping this wasn't going to be a rinse repeat of Evil EU Brexit thing.
I hoped for a mildly interesting discussion on why people vote as they do.
That's a shame, never mind. I'll leave you to it.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 19, 2023 19:13:51 GMT
I was hoping this wasn't going to be a rinse repeat of Evil EU Brexit thing. I hoped for a mildly interesting discussion on why people vote as they do. That's a shame, never mind. I'll leave you to it. There is still too much bitterness from the leave voters for a reasonable discussion. Check out the EU section. On the first page of threads only 3 were started by Remain voters all the rest (25) were started by Leave voters. They really need to get over it. Jeez, imagine if they'd lost. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 19, 2023 19:15:48 GMT
I was listening to a program the other day on voting campaigns and as part of it they considered Brexit. There was a claim that the reason they got it so wrong was that a large number of leave voters were non partisan. That these were older people who had become dissatisfied with all parties over their years of voting and were just wanting a chance of change. Almost anything to press a reset on the country. I was a remain voter, so I didn't have this, but I wondered how many you leave voters agree with the statement above. " The reason they got it so wrong" LOL. And which remainer made this claim? Brexit has indeed failed, of that there is little doubt. But this is not the fault of the majority of people who voted to leave. More than 70% of MP's were, probably still are, remainers. Theresa May was a remainer Boris was a remainer, and Sunak is a remainer. All three of them refused to divert to any great extent from EU policy. They could have and they should have, but they didn't because they're remainers. Democracy has effectively been ignored. Of course you will say it would have been/will be, disastrous for the economy businesses and industry if we left the EU, just as the govenor of the Bank of England Mark Carney predicted in 2016. The difference is, he later had to appear before a select committee to explain why his predictions of economic disaster were so wrong, the civil service and 70% of politicians who have schemed to keep us within EU influence, have not and will not have to answer to anyone. The fact is, all sorts of smoke screens have been put up to hide the fact that Brexit has failed because civil servants and the majority of politicians wanted it to fail. |
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Post by borchester on Oct 19, 2023 19:19:16 GMT
I was hoping this wasn't going to be a rinse repeat of Evil EU Brexit thing. I hoped for a mildly interesting discussion on why people vote as they do. That's a shame, never mind. I'll leave you to it. No, you were were merely being your usual patronising self which pissed off a sizeable wedge of the electorate and lead to Brexit |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 19, 2023 19:22:57 GMT
I was hoping this wasn't going to be a rinse repeat of Evil EU Brexit thing. I hoped for a mildly interesting discussion on why people vote as they do. That's a shame, never mind. I'll leave you to it. No, you were were merely being your usual patronising self which pissed off a sizeable wedge of the electorate and lead to Brexit Why the personal insults? You won, get over it. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 19, 2023 19:23:08 GMT
I was hoping this wasn't going to be a rinse repeat of Evil EU Brexit thing. I hoped for a mildly interesting discussion on why people vote as they do. That's a shame, never mind. I'll leave you to it. There is still too much bitterness from the leave voters for a reasonable discussion. Check out the EU section. On the first page of threads only 2 were started by Remain voters all the rest were started by Leave voters. They really need to get over it. Jeez, imagine if they'd lost. Good god man are you for real? I remember extremely aggressive remainers waving their EU flags and screaming at anyone who may have voted leave. The 2016 referendum was the largest democratic vote in UK political history, and in good old EU tradition the result has more or less been ignored. Yet remainiacs are still screaming. |
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