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Post by sandypine on Oct 19, 2023 15:54:12 GMT
As they told us their "singular objective" was to protest against racism informed no doubt by the racial abuse they and their teammates had witnessed first hand. I suspect they would be as baffled as I am what that had to do with banks.... I am intrigued though. Apparently we all know that "substitutions are manipulated such that black players score the winning goals". Sadly I must have been overlooked when this little nugget was handed out. how does he perform this feat. Does he keep the black players on the bench so they can be brought on to score a glorious late winner but what happens if one of the white players scores early or does he keep the white players on the bench while the black players strive to score an early winning goal but what happens if it stays 0-0 until all the white players come on? No it was not, their singular objective was as stated. Was there a different statement? I quoted from the official source. I repeat, but it seems to fall on wilfully deaf ears, the banks have the same singular objective and is resulting in some pretty serious inequality especially as regards serving customers and recruiting staff. Yes, he does , especially for penalties where he ensures the winning goal, if it occurs, will be scored by a black player. He is not considering solely skill he is also considering race and sometimes that backfires. The whole point if I recall as regards race was that colour blindness was supposed to be the order of the day. That sems to have disappeared into the ether.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2023 16:21:21 GMT
Perhaps the greatest role models in England, are the England football team players, especially to the younger, more impressionable members of our society. Gareth Southgate has set a good example to fans, and to the wider population, because whatever Mr Southgate states, the media take note and print it or repeat it. The football season 2020 - 2021 was a particularly bad season for on line and on the pitch racial abuse directed at Marcus Rashford, Kyle Walker, Raheem Sterling, Jude Bellingham, Reece James and Tyrone Mings. GARETH SOUTHGATE SAID THIS .... Our players are role models. And, beyond the confines of the pitch, we must recognise the impact they can have on society. We must give them the confidence to stand up for their teammates and the things that matter to them as people. "I have never believed that we should just stick to football" "I know my voice carries weight, not because of who I am but because of the position that I hold. At home, I’m below the kids and the dogs in the pecking order but publicly I am the England men’s football team manager. I have a responsibility to the wider community to use my voice, and so do the players. "It’s their duty to continue to interact with the public on matters such as equality, inclusivity and racial injustice, while using the power of their voices to help put debates on the table, raise awareness and educate" Well done to Gareth Southgate and the England football teamClearly some idiots think its "Left wing" or even "woke" to instill good virtues, sound principles or decency into the impressionable - IT ISENT, its simply teaching people how to be decent human beigns. Then we have to consider what are 'good virtues', 'sound principles' and 'decency'. I am sure mine would be different from yours and even Southgate's. Southgate has no monopoly on the definitions and that is what makes his motives 'woke'. He is using his position to promote his views, he is using his position and that of the footballers to promote those views. We assume that the players think all the definitions are sound or do they agree to ensure their chance of a place in the team. What you are saying is that a player who was a UKIP member would not get a place even if he was the best player around and even if no one else knew exactly what his views were. I thought that was the whole point of having a team picked on merit, you get the best players and then hopefully the best team which is the managers job, and only that. Your post is 100% utter nonsense - Southgate spoke out against racist chanting, racist slurs, racist abuse and offensive speech, NONE of which is classed as "woke" as you put it. Southgate HAS NOT given out or "promoted" his own opinions, he has simply spoken out against the use of highly offensive language, its what teachers do, its what most parents should do, and its what anyone in the public eye should do. No soccer team anywhere in the UK which is affiliated to the Welsh FA, Scottish FA, Northern Ireland FA or English FA would ever employ the services of any soccer player with racist views, no matter how good a player he or she was.
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Post by dappy on Oct 19, 2023 16:23:07 GMT
You do seem to be struggling with the reality that as the players told us, they were protesting against racism. You seem to be stretching that simple message in very strange ways.
Southgate puts substitutes on to take penalties so they can score the winning goal? What happens if the match doesn't go to penalties? Very few do, in fact I think Southgate has only managed three penalty shoot outs for England. You think he manipulates them to try to give black players the glory?
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Post by Bentley on Oct 19, 2023 16:25:53 GMT
Then we have to consider what are 'good virtues', 'sound principles' and 'decency'. I am sure mine would be different from yours and even Southgate's. Southgate has no monopoly on the definitions and that is what makes his motives 'woke'. He is using his position to promote his views, he is using his position and that of the footballers to promote those views. We assume that the players think all the definitions are sound or do they agree to ensure their chance of a place in the team. What you are saying is that a player who was a UKIP member would not get a place even if he was the best player around and even if no one else knew exactly what his views were. I thought that was the whole point of having a team picked on merit, you get the best players and then hopefully the best team which is the managers job, and only that. Your post is 100% utter nonsense - Southgate spoke out against racist chanting, racist slurs, racist abuse and offensive speech, NONE of which is classed as "woke" as you put it. Southgate HAS NOT given out or "promoted" his own opinions, he has simply spoken out against the use of highly offensive language, its what teachers do, its what most parents should do, and its what anyone in the public eye should do. No soccer team anywhere in the UK which is affiliated to the Welsh FA, Scottish FA, Northern Ireland FA or English FA would ever employ the services of any soccer player with racist views, no matter how good a player he or she was.There we have it . Tow the woke line or you are out . Wont take the knee ? Throw him out if the team .
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 19, 2023 17:15:04 GMT
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Post by sandypine on Oct 19, 2023 20:41:38 GMT
Then we have to consider what are 'good virtues', 'sound principles' and 'decency'. I am sure mine would be different from yours and even Southgate's. Southgate has no monopoly on the definitions and that is what makes his motives 'woke'. He is using his position to promote his views, he is using his position and that of the footballers to promote those views. We assume that the players think all the definitions are sound or do they agree to ensure their chance of a place in the team. What you are saying is that a player who was a UKIP member would not get a place even if he was the best player around and even if no one else knew exactly what his views were. I thought that was the whole point of having a team picked on merit, you get the best players and then hopefully the best team which is the managers job, and only that. Your post is 100% utter nonsense - Southgate spoke out against racist chanting, racist slurs, racist abuse and offensive speech, NONE of which is classed as "woke" as you put it. Southgate HAS NOT given out or "promoted" his own opinions, he has simply spoken out against the use of highly offensive language, its what teachers do, its what most parents should do, and its what anyone in the public eye should do. No soccer team anywhere in the UK which is affiliated to the Welsh FA, Scottish FA, Northern Ireland FA or English FA would ever employ the services of any soccer player with racist views, no matter how good a player he or she was. I have not criticised his stance against racism in football, especially from the terraces. However no matter how much you and others wish it not to be so and dodge it the statement from the players and Southgate says "We remain resolutely committed to our singular objective of eradicating racial prejudice wherever it exists, to bring about a global society of inclusion, respect and equal opportunities for all." The two important points are 'wherever it exists' and 'bring about a global society'. Neither of which limits anything to football alone. The last point again is what are racist views and should the law be the only judge of what is and is not racist. I say that equating anyone with an attribute based solely on their skin colour and in that category I would place the rather insulting and racially divisive critical race theory, against of which the players seem to have no problems. It all adds up to the hypocrisy rampant on the left.
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Post by sandypine on Oct 19, 2023 20:46:28 GMT
You do seem to be struggling with the reality that as the players told us, they were protesting against racism. You seem to be stretching that simple message in very strange ways. Southgate puts substitutes on to take penalties so they can score the winning goal? What happens if the match doesn't go to penalties? Very few do, in fact I think Southgate has only managed three penalty shoot outs for England. You think he manipulates them to try to give black players the glory? I can only repeat what they say "We remain resolutely committed to our singular objective of eradicating racial prejudice wherever it exists, to bring about a global society of inclusion, respect and equal opportunities for all." That is not limited to football, is a political agenda as achieving it has many issues. I am no footballer but putting two players on cold with no time left to play to take very important kicks in the Euro 20 final is not the act of a manager considering only their abilities. As it turned out it was a disaster and having the opposite effect he wished for.
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Post by dappy on Oct 19, 2023 21:31:19 GMT
We agree the players were protesting against racial prejudice.
But I am more interested in your suggestion that an England manager was more interested in race than in achieving immortality by being the first England manager in 50 years to win a trophy. It’s all a little odd though.
The suggestion is that he desperately wanted a black player to have the glory of scoring the winning goal in a match. But this seems out of character. In his two previous penalty shoot outs , the six players taking the last three penalties in each match all had white skin - presumably to protect black players from the shame of missing a key penalty - so why the sudden change in racial policy.
And surely if Southgate was so keen to see a black player score the winning goal in the Euro20 match, surely he wouldn’t have left the white skinned Kane on the pitch for 120 minutes while keeping the at the time prolific Rashford, Sancho and Calvert-Lewin off the pitch throughout the two hours of the match.
But let’s nonetheless test your theory. If you had been put in charge in the 119th minute of the match instead of the race obsessed Southgate, which five players would you have chosen to take the five penalties.
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Post by bancroft on Oct 19, 2023 21:47:47 GMT
Southgate got his position because he was PC not on his average management record.
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Post by dappy on Oct 19, 2023 21:52:01 GMT
He got his job because the previous manager turned out to be corrupt. He’s done a very good job.
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Post by patman post on Oct 19, 2023 22:36:49 GMT
I just love to recall (I know I shouldn’t) that Arsenal made history in 2002 by becoming the first English side to field nine black players in a competitive match. It was in September that The Gunners swatted Leeds 4-1 away. Arsenal had won the league title just months earlier.
Arsenal Wenger was probably the Premier Division’s greatest manager…
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2023 23:29:10 GMT
Your post is 100% utter nonsense - Southgate spoke out against racist chanting, racist slurs, racist abuse and offensive speech, NONE of which is classed as "woke" as you put it. Southgate HAS NOT given out or "promoted" his own opinions, he has simply spoken out against the use of highly offensive language, its what teachers do, its what most parents should do, and its what anyone in the public eye should do. No soccer team anywhere in the UK which is affiliated to the Welsh FA, Scottish FA, Northern Ireland FA or English FA would ever employ the services of any soccer player with racist views, no matter how good a player he or she was.There we have it . Tow the woke line or you are out . Wont take the knee ? Throw him out if the team . More nonsense - We are not talking here about taking the knee, we are debating the issue of racism in football, and in society. Southgate speaks out against racism, as do all of the England football team, nothing to do with taking the knee. I stated that people with racist views / opinions are not welcome as soccer players, but you somehow interpreted this to mean people who refuse to "take the knee".
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 20, 2023 0:30:40 GMT
Southgate got his position because he was PC not on his average management record. Average? He got England to their first major final since '66 and only lost on penalties. He also got them to the 2018 WC semis and their longest ever undefeated run of 22 games.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2023 4:49:53 GMT
Well, at least the lefties admit that football is a corrupt political shitshow, even if they support it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2023 4:56:11 GMT
Southgate speaks out against racism, as do all of the England football team, nothing to do with taking the knee. For money, like most whores. If you're being paid millions and you want to be patted on the head you'll support anything you're told to support. Like you said before, there is no choice in the matter.
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