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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 19, 2023 10:04:10 GMT
Did Wilko collapse because they went ''woke'' or was it a result of changing habits amongst customers? Have you been into your local high street recently? Many shops are going out of business because people prefer to shop online where prices are often lower due to smaller overheads because they don't have to pay the high rents and rates that come with having a shop on the high street. www.cityam.com/john-lewis-pushes-turnaround-plan-back-two-years-as-losses-narrow/I'll give you the exact reason Wilko went bust .... Greed
Inside the demise of Wilko: Founder's granddaughter defends taking out up to £100m in dividends before collapse as family are accused of driving chain to the brink by ditching its winning low-price strategy.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 19, 2023 10:07:56 GMT
Did Wilko collapse because they went ''woke'' or was it a result of changing habits amongst customers? Have you been into your local high street recently? Many shops are going out of business because people prefer to shop online where prices are often lower due to smaller overheads because they don't have to pay the high rents and rates that come with having a shop on the high street. www.cityam.com/john-lewis-pushes-turnaround-plan-back-two-years-as-losses-narrow/I'll give you the exact reason Wilko went bust .... Greed
Inside the demise of Wilko: Founder's granddaughter defends taking out up to £100m in dividends before collapse as family are accused of driving chain to the brink by ditching its winning low-price strategy.
Quite right comrade. Down with capitalism. Derp. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2023 10:11:25 GMT
Its not so long ago that racists on the terraces were making ape like sounds at Black players. Racism from some football supporters was a regular occurrence. It seems to me that the FA felt a responsibility to eliminate racism from the terraces, and rightly so IMO. That they should continue to make it known that racism in football is not acceptable is also IMO the right thing to do. I suspect that those who are adamantly against the cleansing of racism from the Terraces leave themselves open to the suspicion of harboring some level of racism themselves. There were some racist groups ,the NF springs to mind from my youth who saw the football terraces as prime recruiting ground . Hiding in the crowd was their cover for racist abuse toward the other teams black players . They wouldn't abuse their own because the crowd wouldn't have allowed it . The kick racism out of sport campaign along with all seated stadiums gave the racists nowhere to hide and they basically disappeared from the game overnight . Nobody wanted to sit near a gobshite racist and they were eradicated from our grounds mostly because the vast majority of decent fans would not allow it So it seems strange that you are talking about terraces which we haven't had since the mid 90's . The fans had eradicated racism from our grounds and that most of us now support mainly black teams found it quite insulting that the FA thought we needed a lesson in racism . That's why we oppose the virtue signalling and the constant reminders of equality and discrimination . It would seem we worked it out long before they did . A fair and well thought out post. Sadly, the organisation needs a reason to exist, so one is created out of thin air and we end up within the realm of madness. Take feminism for example, where the early feminists were mostly in it for equality (pay, treatment, opportunities) where it was supported to get more women into work (the man was no longer the breadwinner). Today this movement needn't exist, but it continued and became more anti-men than pro-women. Labour seems to have moved away from it on the most part (probably conflicting ideology in the party, too) and is now pushing the trans thing, and as usual, pushes itself into the realm of madness.
When it comes down to it, it all seems to be about divide and rule and mob mentality.
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 19, 2023 10:11:48 GMT
I'll give you the exact reason Wilko went bust .... Greed
Inside the demise of Wilko: Founder's granddaughter defends taking out up to £100m in dividends before collapse as family are accused of driving chain to the brink by ditching its winning low-price strategy.
Quite right comrade. Down with capitalism. Derp. Not nice people lost their jobs and pensions because of a greedy family, nothing to do with capitalism, and everything to do with GREED. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 19, 2023 11:06:21 GMT
I am oppose to racism of all sorts and I regard taking the knee as the support of a racist group. Herein lies the problem if one makes a symbolic gesture then it means different things to different people. If someone wears a swastika as a sign of peace, which it was, then they would have short shrift if they were in the company of Jews. In fact some people have tried to wear a swastika and despite explaining what it meant have had to remove it. So it matters little what anyone says a symbol means all that matters is what it means to others, and that seems to be the normal leftish viewpoint. This is not leftish hypocrisy appearing again is it. No matter how you try to swing it the UKIP member may be against taking the knee for his view that it was actually a divisive gesture and not an inclusive one. That player may support in total the anti racial abuse but not the gesture, so the team spirit would best be served by not making any symbolic gesture just all agreeing that racial abuse was unacceptable. The players explained repeatedly what their gesture was designed to do. They presumably knew what their gesture was designed to do. So if you choose to interpret it as something they have told you it is not, you appear to be accusing them of telling lies. Our UKIP member would presumably have spoken to his teamMates, understood that several of his teammates had been racially abused recently and wished to make clear their opposition to such behaviour and in all likelihood now understanding the gesture would have been very happy to support it. After all just like you, he is no doubt opposed to racism too. But if he felt strongly that he didn’t want to and explained his rationale to his teammates and made clear that just like you he abhorred racism, then his teammates would have been quite happy for him not to participate. Many teams had players who did and didn’t participate. No one was overly bothered. This is where the inability to consider your own hypocrisy becomes clear. Many people tried to reclaim the Swastika as a peace symbol and they were overruled as no matter what they said it represented to them what it represented to others was the main issue. The same goes for taking the knee the players can state it is only about in football racism till they are blue in the face but the important point is how others see it. Many see it as a an actual racist stance (they may be wrong but then so were the swastika objectors.) Even the players statement makes it clear that it was not just about football. I quote, "We remain resolutely committed to our singular objective of eradicating racial prejudice wherever it exists, to bring about a global society of inclusion, respect and equal opportunities for all." A very laudable aim but subject to many problems that involves actual racism such as critical race theory that strangely stands on the anti-racism side of the discussion. If one makes a symbolic gesture one is subject to what people perceive it to mean irrespective of you saying otherwise. The left are past masters of this calling people fascist, racist, bigots, Little Englanders and a host of pejorative remarks irrespective of what anyone says and does to dispel those accusations. |
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Post by dappy on Oct 19, 2023 12:12:19 GMT
Again the players told you very clearly exactly what their gesture was for.
Its hard to believe that many "others" could or did misinterpret it except those misinterpreting it deliberately to further their own political views.
Like yourself.
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Post by Orac on Oct 19, 2023 12:18:04 GMT
Symbolic gestures don't work like that - and never have.
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Post by sandypine on Oct 19, 2023 14:43:13 GMT
Again the players told you very clearly exactly what their gesture was for. Its hard to believe that many "others" could or did misinterpret it except those misinterpreting it deliberately to further their own political views. Like yourself. They told us exactly what it was and it was not limited to footballers being given racial abuse. "We remain resolutely committed to our singular objective of eradicating racial prejudice wherever it exists, to bring about a global society of inclusion, respect and equal opportunities for all." That is a broad sweeping statement of intent that is tied up in all sorts of issues as regards what is racial prejudice, inclusion, respect and equal opportunities and is a political statement and many people regarded it as exactly that. We know most banks have the same ethos and are busy excluding people and creating inequality as they go about their business. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 19, 2023 14:52:49 GMT
Again the players told you very clearly exactly what their gesture was for. Its hard to believe that many "others" could or did misinterpret it except those misinterpreting it deliberately to further their own political views. Like yourself. BLM and racism are completely two different things.
BLM was a organisation set up to abuse 'all' white people, using a white copper as their poster boy. It's a Black supremacy organisation that is fueled with hatred for white people, so far all they have done is made millions to secure its founders a luxury lifestyle, it's done absolutely nothing to improve 'racism', racism is their bread and butter.
Taking the knee for BLM is stoking their racist fire, and doing far more harm than good, just go and ask any black person who doesn't want to be any part of BLM.
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Post by dappy on Oct 19, 2023 14:54:19 GMT
Of course the players were against all racial prejudice having seen close up themselves and their teammates suffering racial abuse.
You because of your political beliefs were no doubt appalled by their temerity. The majority however I suspect understood their gesture and supported their right to protest if they wished to.
As far as I know the take the knee protests did not not involve banks.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 19, 2023 15:05:00 GMT
I see the lefties are still trying to sell BLM and the “fight against all racism “as a package .
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Post by Bentley on Oct 19, 2023 15:06:42 GMT
It’s a lot easier for the soccer playing sheep to take the knee with their mates than not to.
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Post by sandypine on Oct 19, 2023 15:17:43 GMT
Of course the players were against all racial prejudice having seen close up themselves and their teammates suffering racial abuse. You because of your political beliefs were no doubt appalled by their temerity. The majority however I suspect understood their gesture and supported their right to protest if they wished to. As far as I know the take the knee protests did not not involve banks. Appalled because they referenced a global intent the attaining of which is filled with many problems in the political sphere. That was their singular objective. The bank reference as you know is because the banks have the same singular objective and look how that is working out for far too many people. The point of course being that if someone disagrees with their singular objective, specifically as regards the means to get there, would he be chosen to play for England. We know Southgate manipulates substitutions to get black players on to score the winning goals which however did not work out for him, or England. |
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Post by dappy on Oct 19, 2023 15:35:22 GMT
As they told us their "singular objective" was to protest against racism informed no doubt by the racial abuse they and their teammates had witnessed first hand. I suspect they would be as baffled as I am what that had to do with banks....
I am intrigued though. Apparently we all know that "substitutions are manipulated such that black players score the winning goals". Sadly I must have been overlooked when this little nugget was handed out. how does he perform this feat. Does he keep the black players on the bench so they can be brought on to score a glorious late winner but what happens if one of the white players scores early or does he keep the white players on the bench while the black players strive to score an early winning goal but what happens if it stays 0-0 until all the white players come on?
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Post by bancroft on Oct 19, 2023 15:50:24 GMT
Did Wilko collapse because they went ''woke'' or was it a result of changing habits amongst customers? Have you been into your local high street recently? Many shops are going out of business because people prefer to shop online where prices are often lower due to smaller overheads because they don't have to pay the high rents and rates that come with having a shop on the high street. www.cityam.com/john-lewis-pushes-turnaround-plan-back-two-years-as-losses-narrow/I'll give you the exact reason Wilko went bust .... Greed
Inside the demise of Wilko: Founder's granddaughter defends taking out up to £100m in dividends before collapse as family are accused of driving chain to the brink by ditching its winning low-price strategy.
John Lewis has not paid a staff bonus for 2 or 3 years due to losses, I read the Wilko family claimed if they had not paid the dividends it might have started a stampede from shareholders and drove the company into administration faster. I can see due to mark to mark practises she has a point. I am though interested in the £50bn black hole in company pension deficit stated in the article. |
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