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Post by Pacifico on Oct 18, 2023 21:31:52 GMT
Taking the knee was a sign of support for Black Lives Matter. FFS they even had the BLM logo on their shirt..  |
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Post by Dogburger on Oct 19, 2023 6:00:03 GMT
For what its worth the vast are not and never have been happy with any footballers showing support for anything but the team .As fans we go to get away from all that shite for a couple of hours a week not to have it forced fed us by those seeking brownie points from Woke HQ For what its worth, it appears to be the ones with the smallest minds and the biggest gobs that shout loudest against taking the knee. Who's shouting ? If the FA think it's appropriate to bring politics into the sporting arena that's their concern .That its come back to bite them on the arse is their embarrassment to carry and vindication that those who opposed it were right in doing so . Of course to save face the FA now make a point of saying they are doing it to oppose all forms of discrimination which is a long way from the original message of support for BLM |
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Post by see2 on Oct 19, 2023 6:11:02 GMT
Perhaps the greatest role models in England, are the England football team players, especially to the younger, more impressionable members of our society. Gareth Southgate has set a good example to fans, and to the wider population, because whatever Mr Southgate states, the media take note and print it or repeat it. The football season 2020 - 2021 was a particularly bad season for on line and on the pitch racial abuse directed at Marcus Rashford, Kyle Walker, Raheem Sterling, Jude Bellingham, Reece James and Tyrone Mings. GARETH SOUTHGATE SAID THIS .... Our players are role models. And, beyond the confines of the pitch, we must recognise the impact they can have on society. We must give them the confidence to stand up for their teammates and the things that matter to them as people. "I have never believed that we should just stick to football" "I know my voice carries weight, not because of who I am but because of the position that I hold. At home, I’m below the kids and the dogs in the pecking order but publicly I am the England men’s football team manager. I have a responsibility Rubbish post SID , The 2020-21 season was played in front of empty stands due to lockdown so dont see how that was a particularly bad season for racial abuse . Southgate is a weird bloke ,probably means well but more likely likes to be liked by his black players that giving out lessons to the rest of us . The people who set the best example to society are the mainly white fans who turn up every week to support their mainly black teams , they need no lessons from Southgate on how to behave in society Its not so long ago that racists on the terraces were making ape like sounds at Black players. Racism from some football supporters was a regular occurrence. It seems to me that the FA felt a responsibility to eliminate racism from the terraces, and rightly so IMO. That they should continue to make it known that racism in football is not acceptable is also IMO the right thing to do. I suspect that those who are adamantly against the cleansing of racism from the Terraces leave themselves open to the suspicion of harboring some level of racism themselves. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 19, 2023 6:16:49 GMT
Taking the knee was a sign of support for Black Lives Matter. FFS they even had the BLM logo on their shirt.. Stop being so overly simplistic. If you believe that footballers taking the knee, along with the FA, BELIEVE IN AND SUPPORT THE VIOLENCE AND DEVASTATION CAUSED BY BLM EXTREMISTS IN THE USA then say so. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 19, 2023 6:27:31 GMT
The F.A is 100% correct If any show of solidarity means showing an Israeli flag - not a good idea If any show of solidarity means showing a Palesinian flag - not a good idea On this issue, its best that the F.A does not appear to take any side, however, if some form of show of solidarity could be made in which ALL VICTIMS and all those who are suffering from the conflict could be remembered or respected, then that would be a good idea.
In a country like ours where we have both Jewish communities and Muslim communities, we have to be sensetive and tread carefully. If a great sporting occassion or venue lit up in the colours of the Israeli flag, I have no doubt that many British Muslims would ask "who shows solidarity with the thousands of innocent Palestinian civillians killed over recent years by the Israelis" ............... And ... they would have a valid point. You perfectly highlight the moral cowardice shown by the F.A. Scared of the backlash thanks to multiculturalism. The FA can stand with Ukraine because Britain doesn't have a large enough Russian diaspora in our country to upset. Yet, when Israelis are mowed down and slaughtered the FA can't stand in solidarity with them like it did Ukraine because it's cowered by the reaction of a large Muslim contingent in Britain.
What this demonstrates is that if the FA hasn't got the conviction to stand with all groups who are subject to some form of discrimination. It shouldn't stick its oar into identity politics in the first place and selectively pick and choose who to show 'solidarity' with. No it doesn't, It shows that where it is very likely to be involved in actual matters of life and death, it is better not to feed the fires of hatred and stupidity one way or the other. i.e. common sense. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 19, 2023 6:39:06 GMT
Lefties are the new clergy . It’s true because they say it’s true and they say it because it’s true . IF true, it would be a complete turnaround from the last 70 years of Righties holding that position, aided and abetted by the Likes of the Express and Mail of course. |
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Post by Dogburger on Oct 19, 2023 6:52:23 GMT
Its not so long ago that racists on the terraces were making ape like sounds at Black players. Racism from some football supporters was a regular occurrence. It seems to me that the FA felt a responsibility to eliminate racism from the terraces, and rightly so IMO. That they should continue to make it known that racism in football is not acceptable is also IMO the right thing to do. I suspect that those who are adamantly against the cleansing of racism from the Terraces leave themselves open to the suspicion of harboring some level of racism themselves. There were some racist groups ,the NF springs to mind from my youth who saw the football terraces as prime recruiting ground . Hiding in the crowd was their cover for racist abuse toward the other teams black players . They wouldn't abuse their own because the crowd wouldn't have allowed it . The kick racism out of sport campaign along with all seated stadiums gave the racists nowhere to hide and they basically disappeared from the game overnight . Nobody wanted to sit near a gobshite racist and they were eradicated from our grounds mostly because the vast majority of decent fans would not allow it So it seems strange that you are talking about terraces which we haven't had since the mid 90's . The fans had eradicated racism from our grounds and that most of us now support mainly black teams found it quite insulting that the FA thought we needed a lesson in racism . That's why we oppose the virtue signalling and the constant reminders of equality and discrimination . It would seem we worked it out long before they did . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 19, 2023 6:57:20 GMT
The FA have long, and quite rightly, pursued the "Kick racism out of sport" campaign.
But they dropped a bollock in unwittingly associating themselves with the racist Anarcho-Marxist organisation that is BLM.
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Post by Orac on Oct 19, 2023 7:05:29 GMT
"I've got a job that doesn't need to be done and i'm going to tell people off while doing it" - useless, attention seeking management
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 19, 2023 7:06:10 GMT
You perfectly highlight the moral cowardice shown by the F.A. Scared of the backlash thanks to multiculturalism. The FA can stand with Ukraine because Britain doesn't have a large enough Russian diaspora in our country to upset. Yet, when Israelis are mowed down and slaughtered the FA can't stand in solidarity with them like it did Ukraine because it's cowered by the reaction of a large Muslim contingent in Britain.
What this demonstrates is that if the FA hasn't got the conviction to stand with all groups who are subject to some form of discrimination. It shouldn't stick its oar into identity politics in the first place and selectively pick and choose who to show 'solidarity' with. No it doesn't, It shows that where it is very likely to be involved in actual matters of life and death, it is better not to feed the fires of hatred and stupidity one way or the other. i.e. common sense. Wrong. They showed "solidarity" with the Ukraine - "actual matters of life and death". Try and make up another excuse for the FA's cowardice. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 19, 2023 9:17:06 GMT
Lefties are the new clergy . It’s true because they say it’s true and they say it because it’s true . IF true, it would be a complete turnaround from the last 70 years of Righties holding that position, aided and abetted by the Likes of the Express and Mail of course. Indeed. Lefties didn’t eradicate the ( Christian) church , they replaced it with their own dogma. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 19, 2023 9:22:25 GMT
The FA knows FA, they are just virtue lefty signalers, the only football team in the world taking the knee is our woke snowflakes ..... it's cringeworthy to watch. You think the FA should ignore racism? They should ignore virtue signalling, they have plenty of ways of getting the message across, send out anti-racism leaflets to its season ticket holders, give leaflets out at games, they have 10,000" Tvs all over the stadiums, flash the messages on them... taking the knee is meaningless, it's supporting BLM NOT racism, and BLM are racist organization that has taken millions upon millions world wide and used it to benefit the luxury lifestyles of its organizers ......... WRONG MESSAGE. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 19, 2023 9:39:52 GMT
Let this be a warning to the others who go down the woke route, John Lewis with its diversity CEO who is now getting the boot because she's ruined every Christmas advert with her woke virtue signalling Christmas, JL are going bust, every organization that rams this down your throat is heading for financial ruin, go woke go broke, when are they going to learn? All retail, except supermarkets, are going bust. It has far more to do with internet sales than ''going woke''. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 19, 2023 9:44:52 GMT
Let this be a warning to the others who go down the woke route, John Lewis with its diversity CEO who is now getting the boot because she's ruined every Christmas advert with her woke virtue signalling Christmas, JL are going bust, every organization that rams this down your throat is heading for financial ruin, go woke go broke, when are they going to learn? All retail, except supermarkets, are going bust. It has far more to do with internet sales than ''going woke''. Not what the people appear to be saying ..
John Lewis’s woke advert is a sign of a deeper malaise at the troubled retailer
John Lewis is forced to pull its 'woke' home insurance advert featuring boy in a dress rampaging around his home after watchdog said it was 'misleading and confusing'
John Lewis Responds To Backlash From ‘Woke’ New Ad Featuring Boy In Dress And Heels
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 19, 2023 9:59:19 GMT
Did Wilko collapse because they went ''woke'' or was it a result of changing habits amongst customers? Have you been into your local high street recently? Many shops are going out of business because people prefer to shop online where prices are often lower due to smaller overheads because they don't have to pay the high rents and rates that come with having a shop on the high street. www.cityam.com/john-lewis-pushes-turnaround-plan-back-two-years-as-losses-narrow/ |
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