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Post by patman post on Oct 16, 2023 12:46:46 GMT
I have never claimed that there is a silent majority all sharing exactly my opinions. On some matters no doubt I am with the majority on some matters in the minority. Both is fine with me. For what it is worth, I think the vast majority are perfectly happy with England footballers demonstrating their opposition to racism before games. I suspect the vast majority would struggle to work out what that has to do with Hamas's inhumanity in Israel and Israel's inhumanity in Gaza. They might if they took into account that the Palestinian Arab question has been a political football between all sides for over 70 years... |
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Post by dappy on Oct 16, 2023 12:47:22 GMT
As ever Red, on the rare occasions that you express a view of your own rather than cut and pasting that of GB News, your view invariably assumes that most other people share your own prejudices. Glad to say there is no evidence to suggest that is the case. You appear to be contradicting yourself Dappy. You claim... ... your view invariably assumes that most other people share your own prejudices. Glad to say there is no evidence to suggest that is the case. I'm not sure whether to agree or disagree. Which to be fair is a vast improvement on your previous contributions. Keep it up. Is English your first language, Red? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2023 12:47:28 GMT
Are they allowing Palestinian flags to be flown, this was not made clear in the article.
If they are not then this is a sensible course of action.
If they are it is deplorable.
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 16, 2023 12:53:25 GMT
as I was saying ^^ lol
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 16, 2023 13:24:12 GMT
You appear to be contradicting yourself Dappy. You claim... ... your view invariably assumes that most other people share your own prejudices. Glad to say there is no evidence to suggest that is the case. I'm not sure whether to agree or disagree. Which to be fair is a vast improvement on your previous contributions. Keep it up. Is English your first language, Red? ... |
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Post by dappy on Oct 16, 2023 13:29:28 GMT
I just wondered as you seem to be struggling to understand it.
Would it help if I just used words with one syllable in?
(sorry syllable has three - I can't think of a different word)
(ah drat different has three too, this is hard)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2023 21:30:39 GMT
The F.A is 100% correct
If any show of solidarity means showing an Israeli flag - not a good idea
If any show of solidarity means showing a Palesinian flag - not a good idea
On this issue, its best that the F.A does not appear to take any side, however, if some form of show of solidarity could be made in which ALL VICTIMS and all those who are suffering from the conflict could be remembered or respected, then that would be a good idea.
In a country like ours where we have both Jewish communities and Muslim communities, we have to be sensetive and tread carefully.
If a great sporting occassion or venue lit up in the colours of the Israeli flag, I have no doubt that many British Muslims would ask "who shows solidarity with the thousands of innocent Palestinian civillians killed over recent years by the Israelis" ............... And ... they would have a valid point.
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Post by sandypine on Oct 16, 2023 21:37:38 GMT
The F.A is 100% correct If any show of solidarity means showing an Israeli flag - not a good idea If any show of solidarity means showing a Palesinian flag - not a good idea On this issue, its best that the F.A does not appear to take any side, however, if some form of show of solidarity could be made in which ALL VICTIMS and all those who are suffering from the conflict could be remembered or respected, then that would be a good idea. In a country like ours where we have both Jewish communities and Muslim communities, we have to be sensetive and tread carefully. If a great sporting occassion or venue lit up in the colours of the Israeli flag, I have no doubt that many British Muslims would ask "who shows solidarity with the thousands of innocent Palestinian civillians killed over recent years by the Israelis" ............... And ... they would have a valid point. So in other words when terrorists strike and kill innocent civilians we have to consider the whole history and what led to it. Being sensitive means calling out specific wrongdoing. Standing by someone attacked in a rather inhuman way is not the same as supporting all that they do. We do not support all Ukraine does but we stand by them. In terms of morality you cannot face both ways at once. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 16, 2023 21:37:57 GMT
The F.A is 100% correct If any show of solidarity means showing an Israeli flag - not a good idea If any show of solidarity means showing a Palesinian flag - not a good idea On this issue, its best that the F.A does not appear to take any side, however, if some form of show of solidarity could be made in which ALL VICTIMS and all those who are suffering from the conflict could be remembered or respected, then that would be a good idea. In a country like ours where we have both Jewish communities and Muslim communities, we have to be sensetive and tread carefully. If a great sporting occassion or venue lit up in the colours of the Israeli flag, I have no doubt that many British Muslims would ask "who shows solidarity with the thousands of innocent Palestinian civillians killed over recent years by the Israelis" ............... And ... they would have a valid point. If that's true then, by the same logic, you'd have to disagree with the FA demonstrating solidarity with BLM. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2023 11:35:15 GMT
The F.A is 100% correct If any show of solidarity means showing an Israeli flag - not a good idea If any show of solidarity means showing a Palesinian flag - not a good idea On this issue, its best that the F.A does not appear to take any side, however, if some form of show of solidarity could be made in which ALL VICTIMS and all those who are suffering from the conflict could be remembered or respected, then that would be a good idea. In a country like ours where we have both Jewish communities and Muslim communities, we have to be sensetive and tread carefully. If a great sporting occassion or venue lit up in the colours of the Israeli flag, I have no doubt that many British Muslims would ask "who shows solidarity with the thousands of innocent Palestinian civillians killed over recent years by the Israelis" ............... And ... they would have a valid point. If that's true then, by the same logic, you'd have to disagree with the FA demonstrating solidarity with BLM. BLM are about racism, something the FA take very seriously, not war. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 17, 2023 11:38:21 GMT
If that's true then, by the same logic, you'd have to disagree with the FA demonstrating solidarity with BLM. BLM are about racism, something the FA take very seriously, not war. The FA knows FA, they are just virtue lefty signalers, the only football team in the world taking the knee is our woke snowflakes ..... it's cringeworthy to watch. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 17, 2023 14:43:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2023 14:16:30 GMT
BLM are about racism, something the FA take very seriously, not war. The FA knows FA, they are just virtue lefty signalers, the only football team in the world taking the knee is our woke snowflakes ..... it's cringeworthy to watch. You think the FA should ignore racism? |
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Post by Orac on Oct 18, 2023 14:23:37 GMT
The FA knows FA, they are just virtue lefty signalers, the only football team in the world taking the knee is our woke snowflakes ..... it's cringeworthy to watch. You think the FA should ignore racism? More or less, yes. They should concentrate on their jobs - football. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2023 15:22:27 GMT
Perhaps the greatest role models in England, are the England football team players, especially to the younger, more impressionable members of our society.
Gareth Southgate has set a good example to fans, and to the wider population, because whatever Mr Southgate states, the media take note and print it or repeat it.
The football season 2020 - 2021 was a particularly bad season for on line and on the pitch racial abuse directed at Marcus Rashford, Kyle Walker, Raheem Sterling, Jude Bellingham, Reece James and Tyrone Mings.
GARETH SOUTHGATE SAID THIS .... Our players are role models. And, beyond the confines of the pitch, we must recognise the impact they can have on society. We must give them the confidence to stand up for their teammates and the things that matter to them as people.
"I have never believed that we should just stick to football"
"I know my voice carries weight, not because of who I am but because of the position that I hold. At home, I’m below the kids and the dogs in the pecking order but publicly I am the England men’s football team manager. I have a responsibility to the wider community to use my voice, and so do the players.
"It’s their duty to continue to interact with the public on matters such as equality, inclusivity and racial injustice, while using the power of their voices to help put debates on the table, raise awareness and educate"
Well done to Gareth Southgate and the England football team
Clearly some idiots think its "Left wing" or even "woke" to instill good virtues, sound principles or decency into the impressionable - IT ISENT, its simply teaching people how to be decent human beigns.
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