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Post by Pacifico on Mar 4, 2024 7:56:28 GMT
we already have - cars have never been cleaner. And that's a very good thing, glad you finally admit it. Roll on electric cars. and as I keep saying - they are great for specific people, with specific lifestyles, in specific areas do the globe.. ..for everyone else they are a waste of space. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 4, 2024 7:58:27 GMT
But, if you remember, the scientists had all agreed that the Sun orbited the Earth initially.  Eventually all theories get proved wrong (with the exception of those that become observable data with technical advances). Oh yes we can get it wrong. No it hasn't. What was found is that some things mitigate its effects. Indeed without the effects of Co2 we would all be freezing. Kalman filtering is just a mathematical method of filtering out noise. It is used everywhere from Engineering to particle science. Indeed the climate change deniers pick those bits of noise to fool people into thinking the big picture is wrong. My point was that all theories are wrong. It's not that scientists CAN get it wrong - they always get it wrong. If you look through the history of science there are some pretty crazy theories. Most of the initial stabs at the theory of the natural universe were way out. And you should bear in mind that the theory of climate is in its very early days. Most of the factors involved are not understood. As for "without the effects of Co2 we would all be freezing", without the effects of CO2 we wouldn't exist, so it's not true to say we would be freezing. The Earth is a complex system that relies on a vast number of processes to maintain stability. You've googled Kalman filtering and found it's "just a way of filtering out noise" but as usual google has provided you with no understanding. How do you think that the filtering process works out which readings are "noise" (or basically incorrect data)? The answer is that the filtering algorithm has to be provided with a "plug-in" working model (or theory) of how the items being plotted are related to each other. Otherwise it has no idea which data is wrong (or noise). And guess which model people like the IPCC use to filter the data.  Yes you've got it - their own fucking useless model. And guess what the filtering algorithm does. Obviously it deletes all those readings that don't fit in with its stated hypothesis that CO2 causes global warming. I've told you this before several times but you just never understand. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 4, 2024 8:11:12 GMT
There is absolutely no chance of any widespread infrastructure for charging EV's getting built across Africa and Central/South America.  For all your wishful thinking you cannot get around the range limitations or the environmental issues that make EV's impractical in much of the world. Human history is filled with can't be done. Range limitation. Ooh look the first generation of EV's had about 100 miles Then 200, then 300, then 400, now edging 500. You can't drive 500 miles in a day unless you are mad. You certainly shouldn't without a break. 500 miles is around a 11 hour drive without stopping. As I say, you don't seem able to imagine anything more than you see in front of you know. The trouble with 500 mile range BEVs is that the batteries are HUGE, HEAVY and EXPENSIVE. You'd need a 200kWh battery to do 500 miles. And obviously they take proportionately longer to charge too. They're completely impractical. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 4, 2024 8:35:01 GMT
Vans are a good example of how impractical EV's are. The latest Vauxhaul Vivaro has a highway range in cold weather of 80 Miles - that can be yours for a very reasonable £43,000... Bargain.. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 4, 2024 9:09:53 GMT
steppenwolf Wrote: As for "without the effects of Co2 we would all be freezing", without the effects of CO2 we wouldn't exist, so it's not true to say we would be freezing.For me this sentence completely sums up the dishonesty of your claims. Instead of addressing the point, you dodge it with pedantry. I'm sure it appeals to a certain type of poster, but not me.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 4, 2024 9:14:47 GMT
Human history is filled with can't be done. Range limitation. Ooh look the first generation of EV's had about 100 miles Then 200, then 300, then 400, now edging 500. You can't drive 500 miles in a day unless you are mad. You certainly shouldn't without a break. 500 miles is around a 11 hour drive without stopping. As I say, you don't seem able to imagine anything more than you see in front of you know. The trouble with 500 mile range BEVs is that the batteries are HUGE, HEAVY and EXPENSIVE. You'd need a 200kWh battery to do 500 miles. And obviously they take proportionately longer to charge too. They're completely impractical. The price continues to fall as the range grows. As for charging. You only replace what you use, so unless you do 500 miles every day it doesn't take longer. And if you do 500 miles I assume you sleep afterwards. Are you incapable of logical thought? Aren't you supposed to have a scientific background? If so you are very dishonest. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 4, 2024 11:19:47 GMT
It’s a good thing for drivers . Of course , if Smokey air was the whole problem then we should just ban cars altogether . That would solve the problem , job done .👍 or ban smoky ones. EVs on fire ? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 4, 2024 20:11:58 GMT
Yes those and ones that burn oil extracts. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 4, 2024 20:17:33 GMT
Yes those and ones that burn oil extracts. That’s what engine management systems , cats and DPFs are for . |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 4, 2024 20:23:34 GMT
Yes those and ones that burn oil extracts. That’s what engine management systems , cats and DPFs are for . Been there done that. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 4, 2024 20:29:44 GMT
That’s what engine management systems , cats and DPFs are for . Been there done that. Whatever floats your boat.👍 |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 4, 2024 20:32:59 GMT
Vans are a good example of how impractical EV's are. The latest Vauxhaul Vivaro has a highway range in cold weather of 80 Miles - that can be yours for a very reasonable £43,000... Bargain.. early days. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 4, 2024 22:21:50 GMT
Vans are a good example of how impractical EV's are. The latest Vauxhaul Vivaro has a highway range in cold weather of 80 Miles - that can be yours for a very reasonable £43,000... Bargain.. early days. EV's have been around for 130 years - the last thing they are is 'early days'... |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 4, 2024 22:36:54 GMT
EV's have been around for 130 years - the last thing they are is 'early days'... Ooh you are funny. The Ford E transit has a range of 166 to 196 miles. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 4, 2024 22:47:46 GMT
EV's have been around for 130 years - the last thing they are is 'early days'... Ooh you are funny. The Ford E transit has a range of 166 to 196 miles. twaddle.. “Loaded, this $42K EV will get 80 to 90 miles range.'
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Eventually all theories get proved wrong (with the exception of those that become observable data with technical advances).
Kalman filtering they call it.
Yes you've got it - their own fucking useless model. And guess what the filtering algorithm does. Obviously it deletes all those readings that don't fit in with its stated hypothesis that CO2 causes global warming. I've told you this before several times but you just never understand. 