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Post by zanygame on Mar 4, 2024 22:56:34 GMT
Ooh you are funny. The Ford E transit has a range of 166 to 196 miles. twaddle.. “Loaded, this $42K EV will get 80 to 90 miles range.'
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 5, 2024 7:25:27 GMT
A stitch up by a pro-EV news organisation? - or perhaps they have not drunk as much kool-aid as you and dont take daft claims at face value.
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 5, 2024 7:40:22 GMT
steppenwolf Wrote: As for "without the effects of Co2 we would all be freezing", without the effects of CO2 we wouldn't exist, so it's not true to say we would be freezing.For me this sentence completely sums up the dishonesty of your claims. Instead of addressing the point, you dodge it with pedantry. I'm sure it appeals to a certain type of poster, but not me. My point is that it's difficult to say what would happen to the Earth if some component of the Earth's system were eliminated. The Earth is a complicated system that tends to remain reasonably stable. If something potentially catastrophic happens the Earth may flip to a new stable state or it may resist the change using one or more of its many stabilisers. So making statements about what would happen if some change occurred simply by taking account of that one change is naive - because the minute you change one factor other factors change also. It's like politicians saying that if they put up income tax they'll get more tax revenue - they might not because people will change their behaviour. You need to model the whole system. But we can't do that with the Earth because we don't understand how it works. I don't know what would happen if we eliminated all CO2 - except that plants and most animals would disappear. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 5, 2024 7:51:31 GMT
The trouble with 500 mile range BEVs is that the batteries are HUGE, HEAVY and EXPENSIVE. You'd need a 200kWh battery to do 500 miles. And obviously they take proportionately longer to charge too. They're completely impractical. The price continues to fall as the range grows. As for charging. You only replace what you use, so unless you do 500 miles every day it doesn't take longer. And if you do 500 miles I assume you sleep afterwards. Are you incapable of logical thought? Aren't you supposed to have a scientific background? If so you are very dishonest. Prices are falling because demand for BEVs is falling - they're having to cut prices to sell them. The fact remains that no one is making money out of selling BEVs. The traditional car companies subsidise their sale from profits made on ICE cars and Tesla only makes money by selling carbon credits to the traditional car companies. As Dyson said, no one can make a profits from selling BEVs. As for the rest of your stuff the problem with having a vast battery is that the car will be very heavy, very big and very expensive. And you're carrying around that battery all the time (whether you need it or not) which makes the car very inefficient and very vulnerable to being written off if it has a minor shunt. And the heavier the car is the more rubber pollution it churns out - and rubber pollution is rapidly becoming the most dangerous pollution from cars. It's everywhere. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2024 8:13:06 GMT
steppenwolf Wrote: As for "without the effects of Co2 we would all be freezing", without the effects of CO2 we wouldn't exist, so it's not true to say we would be freezing.For me this sentence completely sums up the dishonesty of your claims. Instead of addressing the point, you dodge it with pedantry. I'm sure it appeals to a certain type of poster, but not me. My point is that it's difficult to say what would happen to the Earth if some component of the Earth's system were eliminated. The Earth is a complicated system that tends to remain reasonably stable. If something potentially catastrophic happens the Earth may flip to a new stable state or it may resist the change using one or more of its many stabilisers. So making statements about what would happen if some change occurred simply by taking account of that one change is naive - because the minute you change one factor other factors change also. It's like politicians saying that if they put up income tax they'll get more tax revenue - they might not because people will change their behaviour. You need to model the whole system. But we can't do that with the Earth because we don't understand how it works. I don't know what would happen if we eliminated all CO2 - except that plants and most animals would disappear. But some things are known. If there was no Co2 in earths atmosphere the planet would be too cold to support human life. The fact you won't say the words Co2 causes warming on Earth shows the weakness of your position. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2024 8:14:01 GMT
The price continues to fall as the range grows. As for charging. You only replace what you use, so unless you do 500 miles every day it doesn't take longer. And if you do 500 miles I assume you sleep afterwards. Are you incapable of logical thought? Aren't you supposed to have a scientific background? If so you are very dishonest. Prices are falling because demand for BEVs is falling - they're having to cut prices to sell them. The fact remains that no one is making money out of selling BEVs. The traditional car companies subsidise their sale from profits made on ICE cars and Tesla only makes money by selling carbon credits to the traditional car companies. As Dyson said, no one can make a profits from selling BEVs. As for the rest of your stuff the problem with having a vast battery is that the car will be very heavy, very big and very expensive. And you're carrying around that battery all the time (whether you need it or not) which makes the car very inefficient and very vulnerable to being written off if it has a minor shunt. And the heavier the car is the more rubber pollution it churns out - and rubber pollution is rapidly becoming the most dangerous pollution from cars. It's everywhere. That and a massive recession. Oh look over there a squirrel... |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 5, 2024 9:13:37 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2024 15:19:21 GMT
The emissions we are trying to stop are the ones causing climate change. If you want to stop tyre pollution stop articulated lorries. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2024 15:22:10 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 5, 2024 15:30:46 GMT
The emissions we are trying to stop are the ones causing climate change. If you want to stop tyre pollution stop articulated lorries. and replace them with what? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2024 15:44:55 GMT
The emissions we are trying to stop are the ones causing climate change. If you want to stop tyre pollution stop articulated lorries. and replace them with what? I don't know, its not me talking about stopping tyre pollution. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 5, 2024 17:11:22 GMT
EV's have been around for 130 years - the last thing they are is 'early days'...  Ooh you are funny. The Ford E transit has a range of 166 to 196 miles. Piffle zany as always and the load it can carry would fit in the boot of an ICE.. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2024 17:30:28 GMT
Ooh you are funny. The Ford E transit has a range of 166 to 196 miles. Piffle zany as always and the load it can carry would fit in the boot of an ICE.. Good luck getting 2 tons in your boot. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 5, 2024 17:34:19 GMT
Piffle zany as always and the load it can carry would fit in the boot of an ICE.. Good luck getting 2 tons in your boot. I can get 5 tons in mine. And it doesn't decrease the range even with the heaterr wipes and headlight on pluss towing a trailer.. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 5, 2024 18:56:10 GMT
The emissions we are trying to stop are the ones causing climate change. If you want to stop tyre pollution stop articulated lorries. 400 times more toxic than exhaust emissions? you seemed to have skipped that and told us its lorries. |
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