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Post by Pacifico on Mar 2, 2024 23:01:16 GMT
They are simply not suitable for large swathes of North America, all of South and Central America, Africa and much of Asia - so you need alternatives. Hydrogen could be one, synthetic fuels another but fossil based fuels will be around for hundreds of years yet. Large swathes of north America will get their chargers just as they have their gas stations You need to look where the cars are. South and central America only account for 5% of the worlds cars. LOL - I doubt you have any idea of the size of North America and how far some communities are from civilisation. With regards to Central and South America they will grow and still need cars - the only feasible fuel for those cars is either petrol/diesel or synthetic fuel. ICE cars are the future there. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 3, 2024 7:46:43 GMT
Cute, clever - even admirable, but flawed. The theory that the sun's gravity keeps the Earth in orbit came with It came long long before accurate quantitative predictions. But, if you remember, the scientists had all agreed that the Sun orbited the Earth initially.  Eventually all theories get proved wrong (with the exception of those that become observable data with technical advances). The weird thing is that the CO2 theory of warming has been comprehensively proved wrong by the observed data - but the climate change bodies just run the data through their models and delete the readings that don't fit.  Kalman filtering they call it. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 3, 2024 8:01:38 GMT
Large swathes of north America will get their chargers just as they have their gas stations You need to look where the cars are. South and central America only account for 5% of the worlds cars. And yet they all have electricity and all have fuel stations. you lack imagination. As you drive across America you see almost every small holding has a wind turbine. Nothing stopping fuel stations having rechargeable batteries that charge up slowly using solar and wind energy, then deliver that power to a car when it stops to recharge. And those cars will be EV's as they become how cars are made in the wider world. But even if they weren't there contribution to climate change is tiny compared to the Western world. And no one has ever said we have to stop all Co2 production. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 3, 2024 8:17:06 GMT
It came long long before accurate quantitative predictions. But, if you remember, the scientists had all agreed that the Sun orbited the Earth initially. Eventually all theories get proved wrong (with the exception of those that become observable data with technical advances). Oh yes we can get it wrong. No it hasn't. What was found is that some things mitigate its effects. Indeed without the effects of Co2 we would all be freezing. Kalman filtering is just a mathematical method of filtering out noise. It is used everywhere from Engineering to particle science. Indeed the climate change deniers pick those bits of noise to fool people into thinking the big picture is wrong. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 3, 2024 8:17:25 GMT
There is absolutely no chance of any widespread infrastructure for charging EV's getting built across Africa and Central/South America. For all your wishful thinking you cannot get around the range limitations or the environmental issues that make EV's impractical in much of the world. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 3, 2024 8:26:30 GMT
There is absolutely no chance of any widespread infrastructure for charging EV's getting built across Africa and Central/South America. For all your wishful thinking you cannot get around the range limitations or the environmental issues that make EV's impractical in much of the world. Human history is filled with can't be done. Range limitation. Ooh look the first generation of EV's had about 100 miles Then 200, then 300, then 400, now edging 500. You can't drive 500 miles in a day unless you are mad. You certainly shouldn't without a break. 500 miles is around a 11 hour drive without stopping. As I say, you don't seem able to imagine anything more than you see in front of you know. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 3, 2024 9:16:55 GMT
Cute, clever - even admirable, but flawed. The theory that the sun's gravity keeps the Earth in orbit came with It came long long before accurate quantitative predictions. The notion that a constant (or relatively) constant force towards the sun holds the planets in elliptical paths around the sun made sense of the observed motion of the planets, the moons of Jupiter, and (by extension), the moon's relationship with the Earth and the fall of ordinance. The theory made accurate predictions |
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Post by Orac on Mar 3, 2024 10:27:52 GMT
There is absolutely no chance of any widespread infrastructure for charging EV's getting built across Africa and Central/South America. For all your wishful thinking you cannot get around the range limitations or the environmental issues that make EV's impractical in much of the world. 500 miles is around a 11 hour drive without stopping. Again this silly deviation about long drives and rests. An ic car allows you to break up just about any journey in the way you wish, while the EV's deficiencies force stops and delays. It's fine to say - an 11 hour drive without a rest is a silly scenario, but we are stuck with a silly scenario because you forced it into that corner. An IC car allows you plan stops and intermissions on a long journey with practically no regard to the needs of ref-fueling whatsoever. You can, for instance, take a long rest when the car is fueled (and when you might need it), without damning yourself to a further hour's delay later. An IC car requires virtually no consideration and the driver is left to only deal with himself and how he wants to break up a journey. Anyone who has driven a piece of crap that might need intermittent attention, knows that this sort of limitation can have drastic consequences on the convenience of a journey. The gas-lighting around this whole issue is completely absurd. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2024 11:09:26 GMT
There is absolutely no chance of any widespread infrastructure for charging EV's getting built across Africa and Central/South America. For all your wishful thinking you cannot get around the range limitations or the environmental issues that make EV's impractical in much of the world. Human history is filled with can't be done. Range limitation. Ooh look the first generation of EV's had about 100 miles Then 200, then 300, then 400, now edging 500. You can't drive 500 miles in a day unless you are mad. You certainly shouldn't without a break. 500 miles is around a 11 hour drive without stopping. As I say, you don't seem able to imagine anything more than you see in front of you know. 820 miles is my record in a day, but then I am mad, and I used diesel, and I had the option. Net zero nuts want to reduce our options, not expand them. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 3, 2024 11:17:12 GMT
It came long long before accurate quantitative predictions. The notion that a constant (or relatively) constant force towards the sun holds the planets in elliptical paths around the sun made sense of the observed motion of the planets, the moons of Jupiter, and (by extension), the moon's relationship with the Earth and the fall of ordinance. The theory made accurate predictions As does the notion that if Co2 maintains Earths ambient temperature then increasing it will increase temperature. This is also borne out by observation. You seem to have forgotten the argument which was that until you can eliminate every tiny variable you cannot make the claim. Thus if Steppen is to be believed you cannot claim the earth orbits the sun due to gravity until you prove nothing else has any effect. Its a ridiculous claim, but one that nonetheless appears to satisfy AGW deniers. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 3, 2024 12:04:22 GMT
The notion that a constant (or relatively) constant force towards the sun holds the planets in elliptical paths around the sun made sense of the observed motion of the planets, the moons of Jupiter, and (by extension), the moon's relationship with the Earth and the fall of ordinance. The theory made accurate predictions As does the notion that if Co2 maintains Earths ambient temperature then increasing it will increase temperature. This is also borne out by observation. You seem to have forgotten the argument which was that until you can eliminate every tiny variable you cannot make the claim. Sure - if there were multiple other observed and potentially effecting candidates and the gravity model made bad predictions, it would be presumptuous to put the situation down entirely to gravity. In reality, the whole constant force , ellipse thing made total sense of observation down to the resolution that could be measured and the same theory allowed accurate predictions in other fields of endeavor. Nothing else that was observed stood as a potential candidate. It's hard to put into words the gigantic intellectual gulf that exists between the cleanliness and sharpness of Newtons laws and the dog's breakfast of assumption that goes into 'climate modelling'. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 3, 2024 12:06:07 GMT
There is absolutely no chance of any widespread infrastructure for charging EV's getting built across Africa and Central/South America. For all your wishful thinking you cannot get around the range limitations or the environmental issues that make EV's impractical in much of the world. Human history is filled with can't be done. Range limitation. Ooh look the first generation of EV's had about 100 miles Then 200, then 300, then 400, now edging 500. You can't drive 500 miles in a day unless you are mad. You certainly shouldn't without a break. 500 miles is around a 11 hour drive without stopping. As I say, you don't seem able to imagine anything more than you see in front of you know. see thats the thing - I am dealing with technological reality as it is - you are dealing with technological reality as you hope it might be at some undisclosed time in the future.. I'll give you a specific example - I have a friend who lives just outside of the small town of Westlock in Alberta Canada, about 50 ,miles north of Edmonton. An EV for him would be totally impractical and even dangerous - in that area forest fires are common and they may have to evacuate at short notice, the first thing that happens in any emergency is that the power grid goes down so escaping in an EV with a flat battery can be a bit hit or miss. Then we get to the winters, where temperatures can regularly fall to minus 30C - at that low temps EV's simply stop working as we saw last month. The reality is that EV's are far away from being practical in much of the globe and alternatives will always be needed. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 3, 2024 15:52:27 GMT
Speed limits of 60mph are to be scrapped along parts of the M1 and M6 after improvements to air quality. Drivers have been forced to slow down since 2021 at the M1 at Rotherham and the M6 at Witton, in the Midlands, amid efforts to see if driving more slowly helps reduce emissions.
A positive for EV's Jonsky? Are you slipping or changing? EVs or catalytic converters and DPFs ? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 3, 2024 15:54:07 GMT
As does the notion that if Co2 maintains Earths ambient temperature then increasing it will increase temperature. This is also borne out by observation. You seem to have forgotten the argument which was that until you can eliminate every tiny variable you cannot make the claim. And there's the rub. There aren't. The effects you are told about are tiny or already measured in the climate change model By comparison. We know the big effect of centrifugal force on earths orbit around the sun and we allow for it. You could claim meteorite strikes on earth might effect earths orbit, but they don't and scientists ignore them. You don't have to measure the effects of meteorite strikes to prove its not them. I have repeatedly asked the deniers on here what this other force is that can produce the 7,500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules of energy needed to warm the planet 1.5 degrees. I have never had anything close to an answer. I mean it should be pretty easy considering the amount of energy involved. But no one is disputing this, its you disputing climate change. Really. I find it hard to put into words the gigantic intellectual gulf that exists between the reality of climate change and the idea that urban hot spots or tarmac can create 7,500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules of energy. I'm guessing you have never considered the ridiculousness of the claims, but that's because you so want it not to be so. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 3, 2024 15:59:10 GMT
A positive for EV's Jonsky? Are you slipping or changing? EVs or catalytic converters and DPFs ? Catalytic convertors have been around since 1993. The speed limiting was bought in in 2021. So can't be that. |
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Eventually all theories get proved wrong (with the exception of those that become observable data with technical advances). The weird thing is that the CO2 theory of warming has been comprehensively proved wrong by the observed data - but the climate change bodies just run the data through their models and delete the readings that don't fit. 
Kalman filtering they call it.
