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Post by Pacifico on Mar 2, 2024 8:40:50 GMT
Then you might as well use petrol. I think we are getting there..  |
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 2, 2024 8:56:29 GMT
I think that the fact that you have to resort to using chatbots to define what scientific method is says it all. The fact is that no one can say that man-made CO2 is causing most of the warming when they're not in a position to evaluate the contribution of all the other factors. Scientists are not magicians. It's mathematically impossible. When confronted with complex systems they usually try to do control experiments (eliminating as many factors as possible to simplify it) but it's very difficult with a system as complex as the Earth - especially when the different factors interact with each other. No one knows what the major factor is in warming, but my bet would be that it's caused directly or indirectly by the massive increase in human population - not by the slight increase in CO2. I think the fact you ran with that shows how weak your arguments are. ChatGBT is just an online dictionary. Well it's wrong. And my argument is just basic mathematics. If you haven't worked out what all the factors are in warming you can NOT say that CO2 is the biggest. And we are VERY far away from even working out what all the factors are let alone how important they are. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 2, 2024 9:06:19 GMT
Electricity from renewables is more expensive than petrol. And how do you produce hydrogen? It's very easy. You pass the electricity created by solar or wind through water which generates hydrogen and oxygen - and you collect the hydrogen and store it. It actually provides a clean and relatively cheap means of storing electricity (much cheaper than a battery) It's actually a way of utilising all that renewable energy that we collect and discard (when people don't need it). HFC is the sensible route to go down IMO. Batteries are bad technology - expensive, heavy, dirty, dangerous and environmentally damaging. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 2, 2024 11:03:00 GMT
Then you might as well use petrol. I think we are getting there.. Yet you were promoting hydrogen as an alternative to battery. I guess you think you're funny. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 2, 2024 11:45:36 GMT
I think we are getting there.. Yet you were promoting hydrogen as an alternative to battery. I guess you think you're funny. Look - EV's are never going to be a suitable technology for the majority of the world, the boss of Toyota suggests around 30% of the market might be EV. It might be a bit more it might be a bit less - but given that there is going to be several technologies used, Hydrogen will probably be one of them along with synthetic fuels and even diesel/petrol with cleaner engines. What do you think are going to be the main alternatives to EV's? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 2, 2024 14:29:02 GMT
Yet you were promoting hydrogen as an alternative to battery. I guess you think you're funny. Look - EV's are never going to be a suitable technology for the majority of the world, the boss of Toyota suggests around 30% of the market might be EV. It might be a bit more it might be a bit less - but given that there is going to be several technologies used, Hydrogen will probably be one of them along with synthetic fuels and even diesel/petrol with cleaner engines. What do you think are going to be the main alternatives to EV's? Why hydrogen instead of petrol? Because its green to use and can be produced green. I disagree with you on EV's They will suit 70% plus of vehicle users. America Europe and China make up over 80% of cars in the world. They are all building good infrastructure because they all want to slow Co2 emissions. I think HEV's may well make up a sizeable sector as renewable energy grows and makes night time electricity very cheap across the globe. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 2, 2024 18:21:04 GMT
Look - EV's are never going to be a suitable technology for the majority of the world, the boss of Toyota suggests around 30% of the market might be EV. It might be a bit more it might be a bit less - but given that there is going to be several technologies used, Hydrogen will probably be one of them along with synthetic fuels and even diesel/petrol with cleaner engines. What do you think are going to be the main alternatives to EV's? Why hydrogen instead of petrol? Because its green to use and can be produced green. I disagree with you on EV's They will suit 70% plus of vehicle users. America Europe and China make up over 80% of cars in the world. They are all building good infrastructure because they all want to slow Co2 emissions. I think HEV's may well make up a sizeable sector as renewable energy grows and makes night time electricity very cheap across the globe. They are simply not suitable for large swathes of North America, all of South and Central America, Africa and much of Asia - so you need alternatives. Hydrogen could be one, synthetic fuels another but fossil based fuels will be around for hundreds of years yet. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 2, 2024 19:20:41 GMT
Look - EV's are never going to be a suitable technology for the majority of the world, the boss of Toyota suggests around 30% of the market might be EV. It might be a bit more it might be a bit less - but given that there is going to be several technologies used, Hydrogen will probably be one of them along with synthetic fuels and even diesel/petrol with cleaner engines. What do you think are going to be the main alternatives to EV's? Why hydrogen instead of petrol? Because its green to use and can be produced green. I disagree with you on EV's They will suit 70% plus of vehicle users. America Europe and China make up over 80% of cars in the world. They are all building good infrastructure because they all want to slow Co2 emissions. I think HEV's may well make up a sizeable sector as renewable energy grows and makes night time electricity very cheap across the globe.
Speed limits of 60mph are to be scrapped along parts of the M1 and M6 after improvements to air quality. Drivers have been forced to slow down since 2021 at the M1 at Rotherham and the M6 at Witton, in the Midlands, amid efforts to see if driving more slowly helps reduce emissions.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 2, 2024 19:29:41 GMT
Why hydrogen instead of petrol? Because its green to use and can be produced green. I disagree with you on EV's They will suit 70% plus of vehicle users. America Europe and China make up over 80% of cars in the world. They are all building good infrastructure because they all want to slow Co2 emissions. I think HEV's may well make up a sizeable sector as renewable energy grows and makes night time electricity very cheap across the globe. They are simply not suitable for large swathes of North America, all of South and Central America, Africa and much of Asia - so you need alternatives. Hydrogen could be one, synthetic fuels another but fossil based fuels will be around for hundreds of years yet. Large swathes of north America will get their chargers just as they have their gas stations You need to look where the cars are. South and central America only account for 5% of the worlds cars. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 2, 2024 19:31:08 GMT
Why hydrogen instead of petrol? Because its green to use and can be produced green. I disagree with you on EV's They will suit 70% plus of vehicle users. America Europe and China make up over 80% of cars in the world. They are all building good infrastructure because they all want to slow Co2 emissions. I think HEV's may well make up a sizeable sector as renewable energy grows and makes night time electricity very cheap across the globe.
Speed limits of 60mph are to be scrapped along parts of the M1 and M6 after improvements to air quality. Drivers have been forced to slow down since 2021 at the M1 at Rotherham and the M6 at Witton, in the Midlands, amid efforts to see if driving more slowly helps reduce emissions.
A positive for EV's Jonsky? Are you slipping or changing? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 2, 2024 19:55:20 GMT
And how do you produce hydrogen? It's very easy. You pass the electricity created by solar or wind through water which generates hydrogen and oxygen - and you collect the hydrogen and store it. It actually provides a clean and relatively cheap means of storing electricity (much cheaper than a battery) It's actually a way of utilising all that renewable energy that we collect and discard (when people don't need it). HFC is the sensible route to go down IMO. Batteries are bad technology - expensive, heavy, dirty, dangerous and environmentally damaging. The question was rhetorical |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 2, 2024 20:05:46 GMT
I think the fact you ran with that shows how weak your arguments are. ChatGBT is just an online dictionary. Well it's wrong. And my argument is just basic mathematics. If you haven't worked out what all the factors are in warming you can NOT say that CO2 is the biggest. And we are VERY far away from even working out what all the factors are let alone how important they are. Yep. definitely can't say its the suns gravity that keeps earth in orbit until you've measured the effects of all the other factors. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 2, 2024 20:42:56 GMT
Well it's wrong. And my argument is just basic mathematics. If you haven't worked out what all the factors are in warming you can NOT say that CO2 is the biggest. And we are VERY far away from even working out what all the factors are let alone how important they are. Yep. definitely can't say its the suns gravity that keeps earth in orbit until you've measured the effects of all the other factors. Cute, clever - even admirable, but flawed. The theory that the sun's gravity keeps the Earth in orbit came with accurate quantitative predictions. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 2, 2024 20:45:46 GMT
Speed limits of 60mph are to be scrapped along parts of the M1 and M6 after improvements to air quality. Drivers have been forced to slow down since 2021 at the M1 at Rotherham and the M6 at Witton, in the Midlands, amid efforts to see if driving more slowly helps reduce emissions.
A positive for EV's Jonsky? Are you slipping or changing? Where did it state EV's in the article zany? Nut zero is just a bunch of bollocks as you well know we will still be usuing fossil fuels for the next couple of centuries....Good innit? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 2, 2024 21:02:22 GMT
Yep. definitely can't say its the suns gravity that keeps earth in orbit until you've measured the effects of all the other factors. Cute, clever - even admirable, but flawed. The theory that the sun's gravity keeps the Earth in orbit came with It came long long before accurate quantitative predictions. |
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