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Post by sheepy on Feb 15, 2024 8:44:37 GMT
All spare parts for EV's are more expenive than for ICE mate...There is no after market spares for EV's so owners can only purchase from the original manufactureres.. This sort of thing used to be called, a racket. Look up the common charging problems with Renault Zoes, their depreciation and cost of repairs which make them uneconomical to repair after just a few years. I hope they are 100% recyclable. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 15, 2024 12:03:40 GMT
Rather than rely on the bloke at Kwik-Fit for advice on tyres for electric cars, I thought I'd see what the manufacturers say instead. Here's what Michelin UK has to say on the matter: "Do electric cars need special tyres? How to choose the best tyres for electric cars? we are here to help. First, what you need to know is that Electric car tyres have to cope with extra vehicle weight, rapid acceleration (torque), no engine noise and battery drain. Fitting your EV with the best electric car tyres ensures you get optimal performance from your vehicle in terms of range, longevity (mileage), silence in the cab, driving experience and safety (1). You know what? All MICHELIN tyres are suitable for EVs. Find yours." [emphasis added]
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Post by Bentley on Feb 15, 2024 12:10:13 GMT
Rather than rely on the bloke at Kwik-Fit for advice on tyres for electric cars, I thought I'd see what the manufacturers say instead. Here's what Michelin UK has to say on the matter: "Do electric cars need special tyres? How to choose the best tyres for electric cars? we are here to help. First, what you need to know is that Electric car tyres have to cope with extra vehicle weight, rapid acceleration (torque), no engine noise and battery drain. Fitting your EV with the best electric car tyres ensures you get optimal performance from your vehicle in terms of range, longevity (mileage), silence in the cab, driving experience and safety (1). You know what? All MICHELIN tyres are suitable for EVs. Find yours." [emphasis added]
There is lots of advice online . You can use most tyres but they will wear quickly . You need tyres designed for EVs . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 15, 2024 12:43:26 GMT
Rather than rely on the bloke at Kwik-Fit for advice on tyres for electric cars, I thought I'd see what the manufacturers say instead. Here's what Michelin UK has to say on the matter: "Do electric cars need special tyres? How to choose the best tyres for electric cars? we are here to help. First, what you need to know is that Electric car tyres have to cope with extra vehicle weight, rapid acceleration (torque), no engine noise and battery drain. Fitting your EV with the best electric car tyres ensures you get optimal performance from your vehicle in terms of range, longevity (mileage), silence in the cab, driving experience and safety (1). You know what? All MICHELIN tyres are suitable for EVs. Find yours." [emphasis added]
There is lots of advice online . You can use most tyres but they will wear quickly . You need tyres designed for EVs . I used to pay £10 per tyre at this place which fitted new and used tyres. In the area people were so ridiculous about changing their tyres that the used ones were hardly worn and could almost pass as new. It was somewhere over in West Drayton, and run by the kind of people who didn't mess you about and would do the job while you waited in less than 5 minutes. It was a real backstreet place but everyone I know used it for many years. We complain about fuckwit firms today, but this was some independent business that was super slick. They never made an excuse and you would always come back with exactly what you wanted, without fail. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 15, 2024 13:26:00 GMT
You have to be very careful with tyres for BEVs. The problem is that electric motors deliver a flat torque curve and stepping on the throttle can have surprisingly violent effects because it can break traction with the driving wheels. Clarkson reckons it's dangerous. It certainly would be without very sophisticated traction control. With an ICE engine the power delivery is more progressive.
You need good tyres if you're not going to run into the problems that the Porsche 911 Turbo had. It was called the "Widowmaker" because the Turbo's power delivery had a lag. What happened is that nothing much happened while the turbo spooled up - but then a great wall of power came in and broke the rear wheels' traction sending the car flying of the road backwards. Not good.
I wouldn't advise skimping on tyres on a BEV.
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 15, 2024 13:40:41 GMT
I don't know anyone who does (advise on skimping).
A responsible owner will choose tyres that suit the weight, torque and acceleration of his vehicle. As noted earlier this is true also for ICE vehicles e.g. M5 vs Fiesta, as it is with EVs e.g. Tesla S vs Reault Zoe.
That said, I think I'd be relying on the manufacturer of the vehicle and the tyre manufacturer for advice, not the bloke on the till at Kwik-fit or even self-styled authorities on an internet chat forum, especially if they have an obvious axe to grind but little actual first-hand experience themselves.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 15, 2024 14:32:17 GMT
You have to be very careful with tyres for BEVs. The problem is that electric motors deliver a flat torque curve and stepping on the throttle can have surprisingly violent effects because it can break traction with the driving wheels. Clarkson reckons it's dangerous. It certainly would be without very sophisticated traction control. With an ICE engine the power delivery is more progressive. You need good tyres if you're not going to run into the problems that the Porsche 911 Turbo had. It was called the "Widowmaker" because the Turbo's power delivery had a lag. What happened is that nothing much happened while the turbo spooled up - but then a great wall of power came in and broke the rear wheels' traction sending the car flying of the road backwards. Not good. I wouldn't advise skimping on tyres on a BEV. You actually ague against yourself because an EV can be programmed to give whatever characteristics you want. This can be achieved with millisecond precision, where with an petrol engine you really don't have nearly as much control over it to get the desired characteristics. Turbos are even worse. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 15, 2024 14:36:07 GMT
I don't know anyone who does (advise on skimping). A responsible owner will choose tyres that suit the weight, torque and acceleration of his vehicle. As noted earlier this is true also for ICE vehicles e.g. M5 vs Fiesta, as it is with EVs e.g. Tesla S vs Reault Zoe. That said, I think I'd be relying on the manufacturer of the vehicle and the tyre manufacturer for advice, not the bloke on the till at Kwik-fit or even self-styled authorities on an internet chat forum, especially if they have an obvious axe to grind but little actual first-hand experience themselves. Ah yes, advice from the manufacturer. Dulux is typical of this, where to use Dulux paint it is advised you use Dulux undercoat, Dulux primer, Dulux wall sealant etc etc. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 15, 2024 15:21:37 GMT
I don't know anyone who does (advise on skimping). A responsible owner will choose tyres that suit the weight, torque and acceleration of his vehicle. As noted earlier this is true also for ICE vehicles e.g. M5 vs Fiesta, as it is with EVs e.g. Tesla S vs Reault Zoe. That said, I think I'd be relying on the manufacturer of the vehicle and the tyre manufacturer for advice, not the bloke on the till at Kwik-fit or even self-styled authorities on an internet chat forum, especially if they have an obvious axe to grind but little actual first-hand experience themselves. Yes manufacturers can always be relied on for facts .including mileage and emissions …. Michelin produce tyres for EVs and recommend them ..whod of thought ? |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 15, 2024 17:10:16 GMT
Vans cost a lot more money than you think mate, especially high spec ones. when the equivalent diesel model is £50,000 for a van that can go further and carry more then someone is being scammed.. You need to factor in the price per mile. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 15, 2024 17:14:48 GMT
I don't know anyone who does (advise on skimping). A responsible owner will choose tyres that suit the weight, torque and acceleration of his vehicle. As noted earlier this is true also for ICE vehicles e.g. M5 vs Fiesta, as it is with EVs e.g. Tesla S vs Reault Zoe. That said, I think I'd be relying on the manufacturer of the vehicle and the tyre manufacturer for advice, not the bloke on the till at Kwik-fit or even self-styled authorities on an internet chat forum, especially if they have an obvious axe to grind but little actual first-hand experience themselves. Ah yes, advice from the manufacturer. Dulux is typical of this, where to use Dulux paint it is advised you use Dulux undercoat, Dulux primer, Dulux wall sealant etc etc. Yes I'd rather rely on which or some other indepent body who does nopt stand to make direct gain from their advice. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 15, 2024 17:27:59 GMT
The bloke from Kwik-Fit it is then.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 15, 2024 17:30:44 GMT
The bloke from Kwik-Fit it is then. Absolutely not. The bloke from quickfit will tell you that you need new brake discs and a new battery as well. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 15, 2024 17:40:52 GMT
And four new tyres as well when you only came in to replace the one with the puncture. 'It's an EV see guv, they're all like that'.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 15, 2024 17:44:16 GMT
The bloke from Kwik-Fit it is then. The bloke from quick fit will know what tyres they sell on which cars and can google it . Youcan only google it . Guess who I would take the most seriously ? |
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