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Post by Bentley on Feb 14, 2024 22:08:53 GMT
"The chap on the till at Kwik-Fit" Nothing like getting the inside scoop from a subject matter expert eh. You can’t get better ..  |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 14, 2024 22:17:23 GMT
BYD Group make a profit - it remains to be seen whether the EV division is profitable. However given the opaque nature of businesses in China that information may never come out. No it does not remain to be seen because it is already being seen. The trouble with you is your sources are highly uninformative regarding the true state of play over in China. They and CATL are very well positioned to make a lot of money. Many smaller Chinese EV makers however are going bust. There are about 150 in the market, but naturally may of these will be shaken out due to fierce competition. You can scoff all you like, but the true picture is China is poised to take the lead in global car manufacture. The US is doing battle with them, but right now things are tilting in the China direction. Many US car manufacturers are in trouble. It's the switch to EV which has meant they no longer had a built in market advantage regarding technology with long experience and development. China's government on the other hand had planned this industry, so they are keen to see it break through. If the government wants something in China most leading firms take note and channel their own resources in that direction. Thats the trouble with you Baron - you fall for all the propaganda bullshit that the Chinese Communist Party pump out. If you widen your sources of information you would realise you are being led by the nose. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 14, 2024 22:49:46 GMT
No it does not remain to be seen because it is already being seen. The trouble with you is your sources are highly uninformative regarding the true state of play over in China. They and CATL are very well positioned to make a lot of money. Many smaller Chinese EV makers however are going bust. There are about 150 in the market, but naturally may of these will be shaken out due to fierce competition. You can scoff all you like, but the true picture is China is poised to take the lead in global car manufacture. The US is doing battle with them, but right now things are tilting in the China direction. Many US car manufacturers are in trouble. It's the switch to EV which has meant they no longer had a built in market advantage regarding technology with long experience and development. China's government on the other hand had planned this industry, so they are keen to see it break through. If the government wants something in China most leading firms take note and channel their own resources in that direction. Thats the trouble with you Baron - you fall for all the propaganda bullshit that the Chinese Communist Party pump out. If you widen your sources of information you would realise you are being led by the nose. I get my information from many sources. When was the last time the Daily Mail actually bothered to ask normal Chinese what is going on over there?
The above info actually came from an Aussie who is temporarily living in Taiwan, which is pretty close.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 14, 2024 23:00:28 GMT
Who is this Aussie and what does he know about Chinese accounting standards?
..please don't tell me he is just another one of your bloggers off youtube..
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 14, 2024 23:21:29 GMT
"The chap on the till at Kwik-Fit" Nothing like getting the inside scoop from a subject matter expert eh.
I wonder if the same expert could explain why a BMW M5 needs different and more expensive tyres than a Ford Fiesta? Couldn't be anything to do with greater vehicle weight, much greater and instant application of torque and substantially quicker acceleration could it?
LOL, did I touch a nerve Dan? The chap I spoke to at Kwik Fit was the boss, one would assume he knows what he's talking about, and he said tyres for EV's are more expensive than tyres for proper cars. Who am I to disagree? He also said you cant change one or two tyres on an EV, you have to change all four. How environmentally friendly is that? |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 14, 2024 23:37:05 GMT
"The chap on the till at Kwik-Fit" Nothing like getting the inside scoop from a subject matter expert eh.
I wonder if the same expert could explain why a BMW M5 needs different and more expensive tyres than a Ford Fiesta? Couldn't be anything to do with greater vehicle weight, much greater and instant application of torque and substantially quicker acceleration could it?
LOL, did I touch a nerve Dan? The chap I spoke to at Kwik Fit was the boss, one would assume he knows what he's talking about, and he said tyres for EV's are more expensive than tyres for proper cars. Who am I to disagree? He also said you cant change one or two tyres on an EV, you have to change all four. How environmentally friendly is that? All spare parts for EV's are more expenive than for ICE mate...There is no after market spares for EV's so owners can only purchase from the original manufactureres.. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 14, 2024 23:40:05 GMT
LOL, did I touch a nerve Dan? The chap I spoke to at Kwik Fit was the boss, one would assume he knows what he's talking about, and he said tyres for EV's are more expensive than tyres for proper cars. Who am I to disagree? He also said you cant change one or two tyres on an EV, you have to change all four. How environmentally friendly is that? All spare parts for EV's are more expenive than for ICE mate...There is no after market spares for EV's so owners can only purchase from the original manufactureres.. This sort of thing used to be called, a racket. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 14, 2024 23:42:45 GMT
All spare parts for EV's are more expenive than for ICE mate...There is no after market spares for EV's so owners can only purchase from the original manufactureres.. This sort of thing used to be called, a racket. Yes and we were wise enough not to fall for it Red...The same can't be said for the doom goblings diciples.. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 15, 2024 7:59:11 GMT
THe recommendation is you replace your tyres in pairs, for both ICE and EV vehicles.
You can fit ordinary tyres to EV's but some suppliers are recommending harder wearing tyres for them that last longer, but also give a harder, noisier ride.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 15, 2024 8:00:01 GMT
Food for thought: Vauxhall have just released their latest van - the Vivaro. You can get this van in a number of different specs, including Diesel or EV. If you buy the diesel version you have a range of 500 miles - the EV version has a range of just over 100 miles - or, if you want to run the heater - just under 100 miles. For this progress Vauxhall will charge you an extra £20k for the EV model compared to an equivalent Diesel van. And, to be fair its not just Vauxhall - Mercedes have released their new Sprinter which is a 'long range' EV. This means that it can do around 250 miles. To get this range they have put in a large battery - only trouble with that is that it has reduced the payload to less that 1 tonne. For this revolution in parcel delivery Mercedes are only charging £90,000 - for a van!..  |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 15, 2024 8:01:40 GMT
THe recommendation is you replace your tyres in pairs, for both ICE and EV vehicles. You can fit ordinary tyres to EV's but some suppliers are recommending harder wearing tyres for them that last longer, but also give a harder, noisier ride. Maybe they should fit iron tyres and have wooden rims... |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 15, 2024 8:05:26 GMT
Food for thought: Vauxhall have just released their latest van - the Vivaro. You can get this van in a number of different specs, including Diesel or EV. If you buy the diesel version you have a range of 500 miles - the EV version has a range of just over 100 miles - or, if you want to run the heater - just under 100 miles. For this progress Vauxhall will charge you an extra £20k for the EV model compared to an equivalent Diesel van. And, to be fair its not just Vauxhall - Mercedes have released their new Sprinter which is a 'long range' EV. This means that it can do around 250 miles. To get this range they have put in a large battery - only trouble with that is that it has reduced the payload to less that 1 tonne. For this revolution in parcel delivery Mercedes are only charging £90,000 - for a van!.. Vans cost a lot more money than you think mate, especially high spec ones. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 15, 2024 8:14:00 GMT
Food for thought: Vauxhall have just released their latest van - the Vivaro. You can get this van in a number of different specs, including Diesel or EV. If you buy the diesel version you have a range of 500 miles - the EV version has a range of just over 100 miles - or, if you want to run the heater - just under 100 miles. For this progress Vauxhall will charge you an extra £20k for the EV model compared to an equivalent Diesel van. And, to be fair its not just Vauxhall - Mercedes have released their new Sprinter which is a 'long range' EV. This means that it can do around 250 miles. To get this range they have put in a large battery - only trouble with that is that it has reduced the payload to less that 1 tonne. For this revolution in parcel delivery Mercedes are only charging £90,000 - for a van!.. Vans cost a lot more money than you think mate, especially high spec ones. when the equivalent diesel model is £50,000 for a van that can go further and carry more then someone is being scammed.. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 15, 2024 8:18:14 GMT
The Government’s zero emission vehicles (ZEV) mandate means at least 22% of new cars sold by each manufacturer in the UK this year must be zero emission, which generally means battery electric vehicles. (Of course they're not zero emission but I don't think the govt have realised that yet - they have the potential to be zero emission in the distant future). The overall sales of ZEVs last year was 15.8% and it's on a downward trend for private buyers.
So non-compliant cars should not exceed 78% of the manufacturer's total sales. The reason this is so important is because the penalties (for each manufacturer) for failing to make this target are £15,000 per non-compliant car over 78% of the total sold. So the manufacturer would lose money on these cars. Effectively the sales of ZEVs will be the limiting factor in how many ICE and hybrids can be sold.
And the 22% figure ratchets up each year until 2035, by which time ZEVs have to be 100% of car sales. It used to be 2030 when all cars had to be ZEVs but Sunak changed it to 2035 - but that change actually makes very little difference because, by 2030, the number of non-ZEVs a manufacturer can sell is virtually zero anyway.
I point this out because most people seem to think that we can carry on buying ICE cars until 2035, but the reality is the squeeze is already on NOW, because, unless people start buying more ZEVs, manufacturers are limited in how many ICE cars they can sell.
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Post by Orac on Feb 15, 2024 8:30:02 GMT
Yes. The measures were deliberately calculated to prevent any kind of buyer's rebellion - manufacturers are fined for giving their customers what they want and by implication customers are fined for getting what they want. This is why all the talk about ev sales and how they are rising is so dishonest. - manufacturers are forced to push these useless vehicles on their customers and customers have nowhere else to go |
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