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Post by Pacifico on Nov 26, 2023 17:55:16 GMT
Demand seems to be plateauing - have we reached most early adopters and those for who an EV might work and are now stuck trying to attract with those who are not interested or dont have the lifestyle. Or a huge cost of living crises. Why would that just affect a percentage of cars sold - surely it would affect the total sold?. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 26, 2023 18:12:35 GMT
I tend to use AliExpress more these days. It's good for items which are lightweight. You get far more choice and the product descriptions are very detailed compared to dimwit UK retail. Try Temu. Same products, same prices, better service. What is better about their service? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 26, 2023 18:14:58 GMT
Tesla are still the best selling EV at the moment. Chinese cars are much cheaper, different market I'm guessing. I suspect Tesla have the edge largely due to name recognition. They aren't notably "better" than many other brands (my scientist neighbour tells me that figures in the sales literature - battery range, etc - should be taken with a bucket of salt), but everyone knows the name. Similarly, a few years ago, I lost count of the number of friends who bought into Apple products (iPhone / iPad, etc), and their ridiculous aftersales policies, seemingly because that was the one they'd most readily heard of. Tesla cars are made in China and use Chinese batteries. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 26, 2023 18:22:32 GMT
Some Tesla cars are made in China but few of them are sold in Europe.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 26, 2023 18:30:04 GMT
Or a huge cost of living crises. Why would that just affect a percentage of cars sold - surely it would affect the total sold?. It has, but EV's are a more expensive proposition so some who would have considered them choose a cheaper ICE vehicle. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 26, 2023 18:31:10 GMT
Try Temu. Same products, same prices, better service. What is better about their service? Reliability, issues with import duty, registration of products etc. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 26, 2023 18:34:20 GMT
What is better about their service? Reliability, issues with import duty, registration of products etc. They have a 100% reliability record with me. What registration are you on about? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 26, 2023 18:49:31 GMT
Reliability, issues with import duty, registration of products etc. They have a 100% reliability record with me. What registration are you on about? We have had a few problems, but then we buy thousands of products. Registration for export, some exports need identification so duty can be calculated. Some suppliers fail to do this properly. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 26, 2023 19:01:47 GMT
They have a 100% reliability record with me. What registration are you on about? We have had a few problems, but then we buy thousands of products. Registration for export, some exports need identification so duty can be calculated. Some suppliers fail to do this properly. I've made loads of orders to Chinese firms. Not once have I ever had a problem with customs. The only time I ever did was a toaster from the Channel Islands. It was the customs who ballsed up though and it was nothing to do with the Chinese. I'd say Chinese suppliers are a lot less prone to error than their dumb Brit counterparts. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 26, 2023 21:26:44 GMT
We have had a few problems, but then we buy thousands of products. Registration for export, some exports need identification so duty can be calculated. Some suppliers fail to do this properly. I've made loads of orders to Chinese firms. Not once have I ever had a problem with customs. The only time I ever did was a toaster from the Channel Islands. It was the customs who ballsed up though and it was nothing to do with the Chinese. I'd say Chinese suppliers are a lot less prone to error than their dumb Brit counterparts. Whatever. Our last order we £9,600 quid's worth. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 26, 2023 21:44:16 GMT
I've made loads of orders to Chinese firms. Not once have I ever had a problem with customs. The only time I ever did was a toaster from the Channel Islands. It was the customs who ballsed up though and it was nothing to do with the Chinese. I'd say Chinese suppliers are a lot less prone to error than their dumb Brit counterparts. Whatever. Our last order we £9,600 quid's worth. And how did that go then? |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 26, 2023 22:07:35 GMT
I suspect Tesla have the edge largely due to name recognition. They aren't notably "better" than many other brands (my scientist neighbour tells me that figures in the sales literature - battery range, etc - should be taken with a bucket of salt), but everyone knows the name. Similarly, a few years ago, I lost count of the number of friends who bought into Apple products (iPhone / iPad, etc), and their ridiculous aftersales policies, seemingly because that was the one they'd most readily heard of. From friends I know, its a snob factor. They must be better like Audi's must be better, because they cost a shedload. As for Apple, its almost a cult. Tesla are marketed as luxury vehicles, but then as I said EV's come with their own problems. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 26, 2023 22:22:02 GMT
From friends I know, its a snob factor. They must be better like Audi's must be better, because they cost a shedload. As for Apple, its almost a cult. Tesla are marketed as luxury vehicles, but then as I said EV's come with their own problems. In my opinion the risk from fire are minimal. Tyre wear and tear balanced by extended brake life and cheaper servicing. Range anxiety is a thing of the past or you tube click bait stories. Battery life expected to be still at 80% after 100,000 miles with individual cells replaceable. I'm sure if they appeared tomorrow for the first time I could warn of the dangers and failings of petrol vehicles. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 26, 2023 22:23:10 GMT
Tesla are marketed as luxury vehicles, but then as I said EV's come with their own problems. In my opinion the risk from fire are minimal. Tyre wear and tear balanced by extended brake life and cheaper servicing. Range anxiety is a thing of the past or you tube click bait stories. Battery life expected to be still at 80% after 100,000 miles with individual cells replaceable. I'm sure if they appeared tomorrow for the first time I could warn of the dangers and failings of petrol vehicles.
Would you need legislation to force people to buy them though? |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 26, 2023 22:29:15 GMT
Tesla are marketed as luxury vehicles, but then as I said EV's come with their own problems. In my opinion the risk from fire are minimal. Tyre wear and tear balanced by extended brake life and cheaper servicing. Range anxiety is a thing of the past or you tube click bait stories. Battery life expected to be still at 80% after 100,000 miles with individual cells replaceable. I'm sure if they appeared tomorrow for the first time I could warn of the dangers and failings of petrol vehicles. I am pretty sure like most electronics they will keep coming up with new gimmicks and prices for them will also reduce, it is in fact already happening, with Walters MG for instance. The technology is far from perfected though for a while yet. They are also far from green considering manufacturing costs, batteries and power generation. |
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