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Post by sheepy on Nov 26, 2023 9:54:18 GMT
You already did Walter. I am just pointing out the EV revolution also has its downsides. It isn't all gravy, which some people would have us believe it is. Which there are a lot people already moaning about them, as they thought they were maintenance free. I know someone who is going to buy a Tesla next year, so I just said your choice these are some of the pitfalls, but if you think this the way forward then obviously buy one as you are probably buying the best EV which has been around a while and are still probably miles ahead of the rest. I have ridden in a couple of Teslas, and very nice they are, too - but putting a penny into Mr Musk's pocket is something I couldn't bring myself to do - so it's an MG I went for (it came down to a choice between that an a BMW, and there was so little between them that it just came down to price - I wasn't about to spend almost twice the cost on a Beemer just for one or two extra bells and whistles that I'd probably never even use. Plus, I get to have a car in the colour I want for no extra cost - BMW charge a fortune for anything beyond the basic..) The Chinese certainly know how to market their products, compared with BMW amongst others. I don't know how their parts stack up against the others, but I would guess very favourably.
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Post by sheepy on Nov 26, 2023 10:01:11 GMT
On another note, I know somebody who drives a fiat 500 electric, he is on a doggies chance with his license now. Thought it was a great idea for town driving keeps forgetting to keep an eye on his speed.
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Post by walterpaisley on Nov 26, 2023 10:45:22 GMT
The Chinese certainly know how to market their products, compared with BMW amongst others. I don't know how their parts stack up against the others, but I would guess very favourably. The BMW dealership certainly go into their marketing with a baseline attitude that it's somehow a "privilege" if they deign to allowing the customer to buy one.. As for parts, I'm not overly worried about that, due to the thing coming with a very comprehensive warranty, and I'll likely change it then. Quite honestly, the thing I find most off putting about buying a car (this is the first new car I've ever bought - I've only even been driving for about six years. Late starter..) is the attitude to the cash buyer: Dealers are very much hardwired to tying people into financing schemes, which I've never been interested in.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 26, 2023 11:04:56 GMT
The Chinese certainly know how to market their products, compared with BMW amongst others. I don't know how their parts stack up against the others, but I would guess very favourably. The BMW dealership certainly go into their marketing with a baseline attitude that it's somehow a "privilege" if they deign to allowing the customer to buy one.. As for parts, I'm not overly worried about that, due to the thing coming with a very comprehensive warranty, and I'll likely change it then. Quite honestly, the thing I find most off putting about buying a car (this is the first new car I've ever bought - I've only even been driving for about six years. Late starter..) is the attitude to the cash buyer: Dealers are very much hardwired to tying people into financing schemes, which I've never been interested in. I think that is down to the salesman. They get a good dividend if they sign up a customer to a finance company.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 26, 2023 11:10:31 GMT
I have ridden in a couple of Teslas, and very nice they are, too - but putting a penny into Mr Musk's pocket is something I couldn't bring myself to do - so it's an MG I went for (it came down to a choice between that an a BMW, and there was so little between them that it just came down to price - I wasn't about to spend almost twice the cost on a Beemer just for one or two extra bells and whistles that I'd probably never even use. Plus, I get to have a car in the colour I want for no extra cost - BMW charge a fortune for anything beyond the basic..) The Chinese certainly know how to market their products, compared with BMW amongst others. I don't know how their parts stack up against the others, but I would guess very favourably. Tesla are still the best selling EV at the moment. Chinese cars are much cheaper, different market I'm guessing.
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Post by walterpaisley on Nov 26, 2023 11:18:11 GMT
I think that is down to the salesman. They get a good dividend if they sign up a customer to a finance company. I get that, but I still find it off putting. I guess I just find sales staff off putting in general - I'm one of those people who will leave a store the moment I'm approached by a salesperson asking if they can help find what I'm looking for? (This is the only time of year when I pick up fancy soaps and hand creams, etc - lazy gifts for folk I don't really know.. My aversion to sales staff ensures I know to give "Body Shop" and "Lush" a wide swerve.)
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Post by zanygame on Nov 26, 2023 11:19:18 GMT
The Chinese certainly know how to market their products, compared with BMW amongst others. I don't know how their parts stack up against the others, but I would guess very favourably. The BMW dealership certainly go into their marketing with a baseline attitude that it's somehow a "privilege" if they deign to allowing the customer to buy one.. As for parts, I'm not overly worried about that, due to the thing coming with a very comprehensive warranty, and I'll likely change it then. Quite honestly, the thing I find most off putting about buying a car (this is the first new car I've ever bought - I've only even been driving for about six years. Late starter..) is the attitude to the cash buyer: Dealers are very much hardwired to tying people into financing schemes, which I've never been interested in. Its where they make most of their money.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 26, 2023 11:26:26 GMT
I think that is down to the salesman. They get a good dividend if they sign up a customer to a finance company. I get that, but I still find it off putting. I guess I just find sales staff off putting in general - I'm one of those people who will leave a store the moment I'm approached by a salesperson asking if they can help find what I'm looking for? (This is the only time of year when I pick up fancy soaps and hand creams, etc - lazy gifts for folk I don't really know.. My aversion to sales staff ensures I know to give "Body Shop" and "Lush" a wide swerve.) I don't think you are the only one Walter, Cash buyers are frowned upon these days.
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Post by walterpaisley on Nov 26, 2023 11:27:51 GMT
Tesla are still the best selling EV at the moment. Chinese cars are much cheaper, different market I'm guessing. I suspect Tesla have the edge largely due to name recognition. They aren't notably "better" than many other brands (my scientist neighbour tells me that figures in the sales literature - battery range, etc - should be taken with a bucket of salt), but everyone knows the name. Similarly, a few years ago, I lost count of the number of friends who bought into Apple products (iPhone / iPad, etc), and their ridiculous aftersales policies, seemingly because that was the one they'd most readily heard of.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 26, 2023 11:49:53 GMT
Tesla are still the best selling EV at the moment. Chinese cars are much cheaper, different market I'm guessing. I suspect Tesla have the edge largely due to name recognition. They aren't notably "better" than many other brands (my scientist neighbour tells me that figures in the sales literature - battery range, etc - should be taken with a bucket of salt), but everyone knows the name. Similarly, a few years ago, I lost count of the number of friends who bought into Apple products (iPhone / iPad, etc), and their ridiculous aftersales policies, seemingly because that was the one they'd most readily heard of. From friends I know, its a snob factor. They must be better like Audi's must be better, because they cost a shedload. As for Apple, its almost a cult.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 26, 2023 11:57:27 GMT
Percentage of car sales UK. YEAR BEV PHEV 2020 6.6% 4.1% 2021 11.6% 7.0% 2022 16.6% 6.3% 2023 16.3% 7.1% Demand seems to be plateauing - have we reached most early adopters and those for who an EV might work and are now stuck trying to attract with those who are not interested or dont have the lifestyle.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 26, 2023 12:18:32 GMT
Percentage of car sales UK. YEAR BEV PHEV 2020 6.6% 4.1% 2021 11.6% 7.0% 2022 16.6% 6.3% 2023 16.3% 7.1% Demand seems to be plateauing - have we reached most early adopters and those for who an EV might work and are now stuck trying to attract with those who are not interested or dont have the lifestyle. Or a huge cost of living crises.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 26, 2023 14:29:48 GMT
Percentage of car sales UK. YEAR BEV PHEV 2020 6.6% 4.1% 2021 11.6% 7.0% 2022 16.6% 6.3% 2023 16.3% 7.1% As the technology develops the sales will rise, but with ICE cars the technology has existed for 150years. You'd expect that system to already be highly optimised.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 26, 2023 14:35:57 GMT
I think that is down to the salesman. They get a good dividend if they sign up a customer to a finance company. I get that, but I still find it off putting. I guess I just find sales staff off putting in general - I'm one of those people who will leave a store the moment I'm approached by a salesperson asking if they can help find what I'm looking for? (This is the only time of year when I pick up fancy soaps and hand creams, etc - lazy gifts for folk I don't really know.. My aversion to sales staff ensures I know to give "Body Shop" and "Lush" a wide swerve.) I tend to use AliExpress more these days. It's good for items which are lightweight. You get far more choice and the product descriptions are very detailed compared to dimwit UK retail.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 26, 2023 16:24:32 GMT
I get that, but I still find it off putting. I guess I just find sales staff off putting in general - I'm one of those people who will leave a store the moment I'm approached by a salesperson asking if they can help find what I'm looking for? (This is the only time of year when I pick up fancy soaps and hand creams, etc - lazy gifts for folk I don't really know.. My aversion to sales staff ensures I know to give "Body Shop" and "Lush" a wide swerve.) I tend to use AliExpress more these days. It's good for items which are lightweight. You get far more choice and the product descriptions are very detailed compared to dimwit UK retail. Try Temu. Same products, same prices, better service.
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