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Post by zanygame on Nov 26, 2023 22:34:55 GMT
In my opinion the risk from fire are minimal. Tyre wear and tear balanced by extended brake life and cheaper servicing. Range anxiety is a thing of the past or you tube click bait stories. Battery life expected to be still at 80% after 100,000 miles with individual cells replaceable. I'm sure if they appeared tomorrow for the first time I could warn of the dangers and failings of petrol vehicles.
Would you need legislation to force people to buy them though? Yep. No one would want to give up their horses. In fact you would need to ban horse drawn carriages as to dangerous for town. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 26, 2023 22:40:14 GMT
In my opinion the risk from fire are minimal. Tyre wear and tear balanced by extended brake life and cheaper servicing. Range anxiety is a thing of the past or you tube click bait stories. Battery life expected to be still at 80% after 100,000 miles with individual cells replaceable. I'm sure if they appeared tomorrow for the first time I could warn of the dangers and failings of petrol vehicles. I am pretty sure like most electronics they will keep coming up with new gimmicks and prices for them will also reduce, it is in fact already happening, with Walters MG for instance. The technology is far from perfected though for a while yet. They are also far from green considering manufacturing costs, batteries and power generation. Don't want to look it all up again, but over the lifetime of an EV I believe is was about 20 times less pollution than a petrol vehicle. If both are purchased new. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 26, 2023 22:40:46 GMT
Would you need legislation to force people to buy them though? Yep. No one would want to give up their horses. In fact you would need to ban horse drawn carriages as to dangerous for town. Eh? - we didn't have legislation that forced people to give up their Horses, they chose to do that. It's a very poor 'advance' that needs any alternative to be outlawed for it to sell - kinda tells you that it is no kind of advance at all. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 26, 2023 22:41:40 GMT
I am pretty sure like most electronics they will keep coming up with new gimmicks and prices for them will also reduce, it is in fact already happening, with Walters MG for instance. The technology is far from perfected though for a while yet. They are also far from green considering manufacturing costs, batteries and power generation. Don't want to look it all up again, but over the lifetime of an EV I believe is was about 20 times less pollution than a petrol vehicle. If both are purchased new. was that done by the same people who said that wind power was cheaper than gas?..  |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 26, 2023 22:42:11 GMT
Yep. No one would want to give up their horses. In fact you would need to ban horse drawn carriages as to dangerous for town. Eh? - we didn't have legislation that forced people to give up their Horses, they chose to do that. It's a very poor 'advance' that needs any alternative to be outlawed for it to sell - kinda tells you that it is no kind of advance at all. The twentieth century saw the gradual decline of horsepower, with horse traffic banned on many streets in London in the 1920s and 1930s, www.londonpicturearchive.org.uk/gallery?i=342115&WINID=1701038573599 |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 26, 2023 22:44:20 GMT
Don't want to look it all up again, but over the lifetime of an EV I believe is was about 20 times less pollution than a petrol vehicle. If both are purchased new. was that done by the same people who said that wind power was cheaper than gas?.. No. But both are true. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 26, 2023 23:03:47 GMT
Eh? - we didn't have legislation that forced people to give up their Horses, they chose to do that. It's a very poor 'advance' that needs any alternative to be outlawed for it to sell - kinda tells you that it is no kind of advance at all. The twentieth century saw the gradual decline of horsepower, with horse traffic banned on many streets in London in the 1920s and 1930s, www.londonpicturearchive.org.uk/gallery?i=342115&WINID=1701038573599LOL - another London centric poster. London is not the whole country and areas outside of it have vastly different needs and circumstances. We already have daft brushes in Whitehall who think that the rest of the country is just like London - we don't need them on this forum. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 26, 2023 23:05:59 GMT
was that done by the same people who said that wind power was cheaper than gas?.. No. But both are true. if only.. of course only this week the subsidy for wind power had to be increased by 2/3rds.. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 27, 2023 7:51:21 GMT
I am pretty sure like most electronics they will keep coming up with new gimmicks and prices for them will also reduce, it is in fact already happening, with Walters MG for instance. The technology is far from perfected though for a while yet. They are also far from green considering manufacturing costs, batteries and power generation. Don't want to look it all up again, but over the lifetime of an EV I believe is was about 20 times less pollution than a petrol vehicle. If both are purchased new. If you say so, I still have a Betamax video player. |
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Post by walterpaisley on Nov 27, 2023 8:26:46 GMT
I still have a Betamax video player. Nothing wrong with Betamax. I found my mid eighties, ex ITN News (they sold them off for buttons when they were superceded) Sony GSC-1 betacam up in the attic, last year. Plugged it in, and it still works (battery won't hold much of a charge, of course, but the recording quality was as "good" as it ever was). Betamax WAS the superior video system, and the reasons it lost out to VHS have been documented and argued over at great length - and this forum can well do without rerunning all of that nonsense. When it comes to analogue technology, I'm more interested in Scotch and their "Lifetime Guarantee" videocassettes. A friend has been cataloguing the vast collection of tapes left by the late Bob Monkhouse, and can attest that many of these brand have degraded to a state where they're now unplayable.. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 27, 2023 9:18:58 GMT
I am pretty sure like most electronics they will keep coming up with new gimmicks and prices for them will also reduce, it is in fact already happening, with Walters MG for instance. The technology is far from perfected though for a while yet. They are also far from green considering manufacturing costs, batteries and power generation. Don't want to look it all up again, but over the lifetime of an EV I believe is was about 20 times less pollution than a petrol vehicle. If both are purchased new. It depends on how green the energy was that was used to produce each car, which varies by country. The fact is that BEVs require vastly more energy to build (because of the battery mainly) so it starts off at a disadvantage relative to the petrol car - about 30k miles in the UK. So it depends on how many miles you do in the car before it's scrapped. In general BEVs are low mileage cars (for obvious reasons) and are likely to get scrapped earlier than petrol cars (because of obsolescence or battery problems, which can occur from even mild knocks), which means that it's pretty dubious that the BEV will even generate less CO2 in its lifetime - certainly not 20 times less. In Tim Berners-lee's book on this stuff (net zero etc) he reckoned that the cleanest car was a petrol car. BTW CO2 is not "pollution". |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 27, 2023 15:24:06 GMT
LOL - another London centric poster. London is not the whole country and areas outside of it have vastly different needs and circumstances. We already have daft brushes in Whitehall who think that the rest of the country is just like London - we don't need them on this forum. LOl. It said London and other major cities. You were wrong about cars being forced on people now you would rather dodge than courteously admit your error. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 27, 2023 15:24:54 GMT
if only.. of course only this week the subsidy for wind power had to be increased by 2/3rds.. And is still cheaper than Gas. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 27, 2023 15:26:00 GMT
Don't want to look it all up again, but over the lifetime of an EV I believe is was about 20 times less pollution than a petrol vehicle. If both are purchased new. If you say so, I still have a Betamax video player. I'm sorry to hear that. I hope things improve for you soon.  |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 27, 2023 15:36:24 GMT
Don't want to look it all up again, but over the lifetime of an EV I believe is was about 20 times less pollution than a petrol vehicle. If both are purchased new. It depends on how green the energy was that was used to produce each car, which varies by country. The fact is that BEVs require vastly more energy to build (because of the battery mainly) so it starts off at a disadvantage relative to the petrol car - about 30k miles in the UK. So it depends on how many miles you do in the car before it's scrapped. In general BEVs are low mileage cars (for obvious reasons) and are likely to get scrapped earlier than petrol cars (because of obsolescence or battery problems, which can occur from even mild knocks), which means that it's pretty dubious that the BEV will even generate less CO2 in its lifetime - certainly not 20 times less. In Tim Berners-lee's book on this stuff (net zero etc) he reckoned that the cleanest car was a petrol car. BTW CO2 is not "pollution". If you make up figures about BEV's being scrapped after 30,000 miles you can get to the same as ICE. Total bollox of course, but you can do it, Co2 is the gas we are trying to stop. If not we wouldn't be bothering to scrap ICE vehicles. And surely you mean Mike Berners Lee, who said. Comparing keeping your old diesel car until it fails as favourable to buying a new electric vehicle.
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