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Post by Pacifico on Nov 6, 2023 8:13:23 GMT
Another issue that is coming to the fore is that the charging infrastructure simply is not capable of supplying all the power needed for these cars.
Here is a good example - the services on the M1 at Tibshelf have 'rapid' chargers rated at 50Kw. But due to the limitations of the grid they can only supply at around 28Kw... and this will only get worse the more people try to use them and when we have more homes running heat pumps.
We need to have a good rethink about this technology because at the moment we are rushing headlong into a future of mass inconvenience.
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 6, 2023 8:35:18 GMT
I agree. Any charging station that has "fast chargers" needs to have battery back up because the National Grid simply can't supply sustained high currents without having expensive connections to the grid. The whole thing is a fucking disaster and I can't understand why we just carry on with this nonsense.
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Post by Orac on Nov 6, 2023 9:26:50 GMT
Have you also noticed that all the emphasis is on disabling the currently working technologies, rather than supplying anything new?
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Post by zanygame on Nov 6, 2023 19:43:06 GMT
Talk about grasping at straws. There are plenty of mass car fires pre EV's. Are you suggesting that the steel in the carpark melted because of strategically placed EV's. Its entirely relevant to a conversation why you are trying so hard to make it the fault of an EV. The fire brigade have said it was a diesel. End of. So put up or shut up, give your evidence. Don't make stuff up. Its petty. Sprinklers would not have been useless, they would not put out an EV fire but they would have stopped heat melting the steels that support the carpark. Its who makes them. Do you trust phone chargers from China as much as ones from Samsung? I like to think of you as intelligent and interesting to talk to, but sometimes in your bids to win arguments your failure to think it through is shocking. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 6, 2023 19:44:41 GMT
Another issue that is coming to the fore is that the charging infrastructure simply is not capable of supplying all the power needed for these cars. Here is a good example - the services on the M1 at Tibshelf have 'rapid' chargers rated at 50Kw. But due to the limitations of the grid they can only supply at around 28Kw... and this will only get worse the more people try to use them and when we have more homes running heat pumps. We need to have a good rethink about this technology because at the moment we are rushing headlong into a future of mass inconvenience. Its a well known issue. One our government have miserably failed to rise to. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 6, 2023 19:45:28 GMT
I agree. Any charging station that has "fast chargers" needs to have battery back up because the National Grid simply can't supply sustained high currents without having expensive connections to the grid. The whole thing is a fucking disaster and I can't understand why we just carry on with this nonsense. Agreed. We are not there yet. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 6, 2023 19:46:08 GMT
Have you also noticed that all the emphasis is on disabling the currently working technologies, rather than supplying anything new? Yep. We need to vote Labour. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 6, 2023 22:33:03 GMT
Have you also noticed that all the emphasis is on disabling the currently working technologies, rather than supplying anything new? Yep. We need to vote Labour. What difference do you think that is going to make? |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 7, 2023 8:58:46 GMT
Talk about grasping at straws. There are plenty of mass car fires pre EV's. Are you suggesting that the steel in the carpark melted because of strategically placed EV's. Its entirely relevant to a conversation why you are trying so hard to make it the fault of an EV. The fire brigade have said it was a diesel. End of. So put up or shut up, give your evidence. Don't make stuff up. Its petty. Sprinklers would not have been useless, they would not put out an EV fire but they would have stopped heat melting the steels that support the carpark. Its who makes them. Do you trust phone chargers from China as much as ones from Samsung? I like to think of you as intelligent and interesting to talk to, but sometimes in your bids to win arguments your failure to think it through is shocking. I can't think of a single example of a multi-storey car park being destroyed because of a car fire and all 1400 cars in it being written off. And the fact that both the steel frame and the concrete melted is indicative a fire that is far hotter than can ever be achieved by a normal car fire. This was a Li-ion battery fire. And the fire brigade have NOT said it was started by a diesel car. They have said they THOUGHT it was started by a diesel. Nevertheless the reason why the fire wasn't localised is because there were BEVs in the park - and it's known that they have to be well separated (15 feet or more) from other cars or the fire just spreads. On the subject of Chinese manufacture are you aware that most BEV batteries are made in China? And are you aware that Samsung had a few problems with even their phone batteries catching fire. As for sprinklers I fail to see how they will have any effect on a Li-ion battery fire when it's known that even completely immersing a BEV in water doesn't stop it burning. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 8, 2023 17:52:30 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Nov 9, 2023 7:35:58 GMT
Click bait. Same old list of out of date guff and misinformation. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2023 9:06:13 GMT
Click bait. Same old list of out of date guff and misinformation. How would you know ? You don’t own an EV . All of the points raised are still current problems . The video was reasonable and balanced but still seems to trigger the zealots , even if they have no direct experience of EVs. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 9, 2023 9:19:34 GMT
You have a bad habit, zany, of dismissing facts that you don't like - that don't fit your narrative. All of what that video says is true. The problem is that it's only the start of the problems with these cars. As far as I'm concerned the main problems with these cars are:
- They're unsafe
- They take too long to charge - and this problem can never be solved because there's a physical limitation of how fast batteries can be charged
- The chargers are very expensive to build and will never be profitable to run for private providers so they won't provide them. Some are already being removed because they're not financially viable.
These are what I'd call intractable problems in that they're simply inherent in the technology.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 9, 2023 9:58:38 GMT
Click bait. Same old list of out of date guff and misinformation. How would you know ? You don’t own an EV . What a really stupid thing to say. That I can't know about anything unless I personal have one. I'm definitely bringing this one back to bite you on the bum. How could it be balanced it mentions none of the advantages and exaggerates the disadvantages. Same old bollox about range anxiety, battery life etc. Range of 200 plus miles means range anxiety is history. Battery life, even the video admits you might expect to lose 10% over 100,000 miles. So an EV with a 100k on the clock still getting 180 miles per charge. If he were at all balanced he would add that over that same period the owner would save about £15,000 in fuel costs. Double that if they charge at home. Click bait for idiots with fixed views. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 9, 2023 10:02:43 GMT
You have a bad habit, zany, of dismissing facts that you don't like - that don't fit your narrative. All of what that video says is true. The problem is that it's only the start of the problems with these cars. As far as I'm concerned the main problems with these cars are: - They're unsafe - They take too long to charge - and this problem can never be solved because there's a physical limitation of how fast batteries can be charged - The chargers are very expensive to build and will never be profitable to run for private providers so they won't provide them. Some are already being removed because they're not financially viable. These are what I'd call intractable problems in that they're simply inherent in the technology. You have a very bad habit of presenting one sided arguments and when the other side is added, accusing people of bias. All the things in the video are not true in the way they are put. For instance the video points out the savings on service and brakes, but implies that this will be overwhelmed by the cost of tyres. With no data to back that up. But you carry on and lap it up and pretend to yourself you are unbiased. |
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