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Post by zanygame on Nov 4, 2023 10:34:28 GMT
You're just making it up now. There have been plenty of multicar fires long before EV's came along. Petrol fires spread because the tank leaks or explodes and allows burning fuel to flow to nearby vehicles. These EV bikes need regulating. But I must say if I had one and couldn't keep it outside, I would buy a safe and charge the battery inside that. I agree. most modern laptop and phone chargers communicate with each other to check they are compatible. That should be a bare minimum on the powerful battery you get on an E-Bike or scooter. Sorry, just agreed with you above before I read this paragraph. I completely agree. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2023 11:28:33 GMT
Zanygame wrote (he screws up the quotes so I have to add in manually):
Petrol isn't an explosive and diesel won't catch fire even if you throw lit matches at it. Diesel works with compression. An EV is a time bomb, because of the chemicals used. It's a chemical fire that cannot be put out with conventional means.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 4, 2023 12:59:00 GMT
Zanygame wrote (he screws up the quotes so I have to add in manually):
Petrol isn't an explosive and diesel won't catch fire even if you throw lit matches at it. Diesel works with compression. An EV is a time bomb, because of the chemicals used. It's a chemical fire that cannot be put out with conventional means.
Quite, diesel has a much higher flash point than petrol and is therefor much safer than both petrol and electric. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 4, 2023 13:35:02 GMT
Like I stated I know what one my money is on. It was very unlikely to be a diesel vehicle that started this. Out of all the ICE vehicles petrol would be the most volatile. EV's have a history of bursting into flames. More likely petrol as diesel needs to get very hot to burn. You can't see the make of vehicle from the video, but you can surely see where its parked, so I suspect the fire service know what it was. Did you see someone has been arrested on suspicion of criminal damage. The FB stated that it COULD be a diesel vehicle. And as for the witnes who made the video they would not have been able to get close enough to truly state it was an ICE. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 4, 2023 13:37:37 GMT
Zanygame wrote (he screws up the quotes so I have to add in manually):
Petrol isn't an explosive and diesel won't catch fire even if you throw lit matches at it. Diesel works with compression. An EV is a time bomb, because of the chemicals used. It's a chemical fire that cannot be put out with conventional means.
When I was employed in aviation we had demostrations of vehicle fires. And the most dangerous component according to them is the prop shaft as they are a sealed tube which explodes due to pressure from heat. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 4, 2023 13:58:29 GMT
More likely petrol as diesel needs to get very hot to burn. You can't see the make of vehicle from the video, but you can surely see where its parked, so I suspect the fire service know what it was. Did you see someone has been arrested on suspicion of criminal damage. The FB stated that it COULD be a diesel vehicle. And as for the witnes who made the video they would not have been able to get close enough to truly state it was an ICE. But put 2 and 2 together and you get a video of the car in its parking space and a fire brigade that have been there. So its probably an EV on a different floor.   |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 4, 2023 14:40:51 GMT
The FB stated that it COULD be a diesel vehicle. And as for the witnes who made the video they would not have been able to get close enough to truly state it was an ICE. But put 2 and 2 together and you get a video of the car in its parking space and a fire brigade that have been there. So its probably an EV on a different floor. Who would want to drive around in a ticking time bomb? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 4, 2023 15:43:12 GMT
But put 2 and 2 together and you get a video of the car in its parking space and a fire brigade that have been there. So its probably an EV on a different floor. Who would want to drive around in a ticking time bomb? No one. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 4, 2023 19:41:16 GMT
Who would want to drive around in a ticking time bomb? No one. Have you explaned that to the bumburgh followers. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 4, 2023 19:44:47 GMT
Have you explaned that to the bumburgh followers. No, I don't need to, none of them have any desire to drive a ticking time bomb. Most just have EV's |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 4, 2023 19:49:28 GMT
Have you explaned that to the bumburgh followers. No, I don't need to, none of them have any desire to drive a ticking time bomb. Most just have EV'sYes ticking expenive timebombs. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 4, 2023 20:03:13 GMT
No, I don't need to, none of them have any desire to drive a ticking time bomb. Most just have EV'sYes ticking expenive timebombs. The ignorant have always feared technology. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 8:47:43 GMT
Yes ticking expenive timebombs. The ignorant have always feared technology. This seems rather general to me, especially when we're talking about something very specific. I can only conclude that you don't have anything worth adding. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 5, 2023 10:00:04 GMT
Yes ticking expenive timebombs. The ignorant have always feared technology. Unlike the passengers on the Hindenberg. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 6, 2023 7:57:31 GMT
You're just making it up now. There have been plenty of multicar fires long before EV's came along. Petrol fires spread because the tank leaks or explodes and allows burning fuel to flow to nearby vehicles. These EV bikes need regulating. But I must say if I had one and couldn't keep it outside, I would buy a safe and charge the battery inside that. I agree. most modern laptop and phone chargers communicate with each other to check they are compatible. That should be a bare minimum on the powerful battery you get on an E-Bike or scooter. Sorry, just agreed with you above before I read this paragraph. I completely agree. Maybe you'd like to give me an example of another fire that destroyed a multi-storey car park and every car in it? I can't think of one. And the exact car that started the Luton airport fire isn't really relevant - although I find it very strange that the fire brigade don't know what car started it when it's essential information when you're trying to put a fire out. There were certainly many electric cars in the car park and it's almost certainly these cars that led to the severity of the fire. It's also odd that the FB are wittering on about sprinklers when these are completely useless in the case of EV fires. It's also odd that you seem to accept that e-bike batteries are potentially dangerous but you seem happy to drive a car that has a far larger battery in it and you charge it overnight at home. You're crazy. |
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