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Post by Bentley on Nov 3, 2023 21:02:26 GMT
Better for your sugar pedestal and bought for more money than most can afford. In the real world a shit box is the staring point for a far better option . £10000 supermini that will lasting 70000 miles at least . Has many cheap options for service and repair . Instead of a needlessly exornsive future money pit when the warranty runs out . If you do your sums properly (Or at all) you see the annual savings quickly cover the extra purchase cost. As for first cars. That has always been the case. No they don’t . Few people can afford £27000 anyway . Let them eat cake . You went for the easy option .You can’t defend EVs by using a hybrid as an example. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 3, 2023 21:12:47 GMT
If you do your sums properly (Or at all) you see the annual savings quickly cover the extra purchase cost. As for first cars. That has always been the case. No they don’t . Few people can afford £27000 anyway . Let them eat cake . You went for the easy option .You can’t defend EVs by using a hybrid as an example. A 27k loan over 5 years cost about £6.5k a year. Driving an EV 15,000miles a year will save you about £2.5k a year in fuel. and at the end of 5 years you'll have a car worth £18k And it wont be long before there'll be second hand ones on the market. Its just early days, but don't worry we've got 12 years yet, or 25 years if you're not buying new. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 3, 2023 21:37:41 GMT
No they don’t . Few people can afford £27000 anyway . Let them eat cake . You went for the easy option .You can’t defend EVs by using a hybrid as an example. A 27k loan over 5 years cost about £6.5k a year. Driving an EV 15,000miles a year will save you about £2.5k a year in fuel. and at the end of 5 years you'll have a car worth £18k And it wont be long before there'll be second hand ones on the market. Its just early days, but don't worry we've got 12 years yet, or 25 years if you're not buying new. As I said . Let them eat cake . After 5 years you will have a second hand EV with less range than new and possibly out of warranty . You have no idea of the value in 5 years time . If you have plenty of money , don’t mind paying a high insurance rate , will not be subject to range anxiety and willing to take a punt that you can offload the risk of your car being a money pit then go for an EV If you want a cheaper car , cheaper to insure, easy to find a garage to service and repair , can fill up in minutes and one that has a far longer range then buy an ICE car while you can . Tbh I’m more interested in EVs not the cop out of hybrids . |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 3, 2023 21:54:25 GMT
A 27k loan over 5 years cost about £6.5k a year. Driving an EV 15,000miles a year will save you about £2.5k a year in fuel. and at the end of 5 years you'll have a car worth £18k And it wont be long before there'll be second hand ones on the market. Its just early days, but don't worry we've got 12 years yet, or 25 years if you're not buying new. As I said . Let them eat cake . After 5 years you will have a second hand EV with less range than new and possibly out of warranty . You have no idea of the value in 5 years time . If you have plenty of money , don’t mind paying a high insurance rate , will not be subject to range anxiety and willing to take a punt that you can offload the risk of your car being a money pit then go for an EV If you want a cheaper car , cheaper to insure, easy to find a garage to service and repair , can fill up in minutes and one that has a far longer range then buy an ICE car while you can . Tbh I’m more interested in EVs not the cop out of hybrids . Each to his own. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 3, 2023 21:59:39 GMT
As I said . Let them eat cake . After 5 years you will have a second hand EV with less range than new and possibly out of warranty . You have no idea of the value in 5 years time . If you have plenty of money , don’t mind paying a high insurance rate , will not be subject to range anxiety and willing to take a punt that you can offload the risk of your car being a money pit then go for an EV If you want a cheaper car , cheaper to insure, easy to find a garage to service and repair , can fill up in minutes and one that has a far longer range then buy an ICE car while you can . Tbh I’m more interested in EVs not the cop out of hybrids . Each to his own. Indeed. I can’t see how you can defend EVs with your hybrid . Tbh A plug in hybrid might be a good idea if you can afford to buy new and offload it before the warranty runs out but hybrids are a different animal than a real EV afaik. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 3, 2023 22:25:26 GMT
Indeed. I can’t see how you can defend EVs with your hybrid . Tbh A plug in hybrid might be a good idea if you can afford to buy new and offload it before the warranty runs out but hybrids are a different animal than a real EV afaik. Have you ever been gracious. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 3, 2023 22:30:38 GMT
Which is the range of the Porsche he used - you would know this if had watched the video instead of commenting from a position of ignorance. What you have to remember with EV's is that you are advised not to charge the battery above 80% or let it fall below 20% - hence the amount of times you need to stop. I did watch it did you. 8 stops to do 800 miles. Either a shit range or a liar. How do you work that out? - call it 275 mile range of which you cannot use 40% that gives a real world range of 165 miles which is an absolute minimum of 5 stops and given the problems he had with the charging network 8 is quite feasible. It is rather hilarious that your argument is that he bought the wrong car - FFS he only spent £120k but its the wrong car if you actually want to go anywhere..  |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 3, 2023 22:31:38 GMT
Indeed. I can’t see how you can defend EVs with your hybrid . Tbh A plug in hybrid might be a good idea if you can afford to buy new and offload it before the warranty runs out but hybrids are a different animal than a real EV afaik. Have you ever been gracious. I’m not sure what you mean . A hybrid isn’t an EV . How can you defend EVs with hybrid cars ? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 3, 2023 22:40:18 GMT
I did watch it did you. 8 stops to do 800 miles. Either a shit range or a liar. How do you work that out? - call it 275 mile range of which you cannot use 40% that gives a real world range of 165 miles which is an absolute minimum of 5 stops and given the problems he had with the charging network 8 is quite feasible. It is rather hilarious that your argument is that he bought the wrong car - FFS he only spent £120k but its the wrong car if you actually want to go anywhere.. Frankly I don't believe any of it. 275 miles is the range. They recommend you don't often fully charge or fully discharge, but occasionally its fine. And how often do you travel 800 miles in two days. The whole thing setup to make EV's look bad. Childish entertainment for the ignorant. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 4, 2023 4:15:05 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Nov 4, 2023 7:00:33 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Nov 4, 2023 7:16:04 GMT
Like I stated I know what one my money is on. It was very unlikely to be a diesel vehicle that started this. Out of all the ICE vehicles petrol would be the most volatile. EV's have a history of bursting into flames. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 4, 2023 9:26:45 GMT
Like I stated I know what one my money is on. It was very unlikely to be a diesel vehicle that started this. Out of all the ICE vehicles petrol would be the most volatile. EV's have a history of bursting into flames. More likely petrol as diesel needs to get very hot to burn. You can't see the make of vehicle from the video, but you can surely see where its parked, so I suspect the fire service know what it was. Did you see someone has been arrested on suspicion of criminal damage. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 4, 2023 9:45:06 GMT
The fire brigade say "it's thought to have been started by a diesel vehicle". Not quite the same. Also was it a diesel hybrid? It's about time we got a full report on this because it's highly unusual that a single car fire causes the total destruction of multi-storey car park and all cars in it. It's almost certain that the reason that the fire was so devastating is because many EVs were involved. In the case of the e-bike fire that killed 3 people and gutted a house the battery was an after market one, but these fires are resulting in a call out for the London fire brigade every other day, so it's amazing that so little is read about it. These fires simply cannot be put out and that should concern everybody. It's worth being very careful about any situation where the charger and the battery are not specifically designed to be used together. Always use the battery and charger that came with the bike. But it must have occurred to you, zany, that in the case of BEVs there is NO charger that comes with the car. You're always charging with non-OEM equipment. And you're using chargers of various powers (much higher than e-bike chargers which barely register on the electric meter). It would be nice to think that all these different chargers and different batteries are completely compatible and that they communicate via the same protocols (to establish that they're compatible before they start charging) but I think that's very doubtful. The manufacturers haven't even been able to come up with a standardised type of plug FFS. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 4, 2023 9:56:41 GMT
I'm waiting for EV's to be banned from the channel tunnel - after all if you are a truck transporting EV batteries you are not allowed through now. Given the way they burn common sense would suggest they should be banned from the tunnel however, I imagine there would be a lot of pressure on whoever's decision it is, 'not to' ban EV's from the tunnel because it would be an obvious publicity coup for the anti EV lobby. |
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