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Post by Pacifico on Mar 11, 2024 16:19:37 GMT
"In recent years, investors have been drawn to the wind industry by falling project costs and the prospect of new wind farms generating an abundance of cheap, clean energy."Investors want high energy costs to deliver large profits - what is currently driving investment is taxpayer subsidies and grants. Investors want profitable returns on their investments. If what they invest in is too expensive to get a profitable market, they’ll lose out. Wind and sunshine are free — even if variable. If their generated energy can be collected from wide enough areas to be constant, the developers of such systems will also generate income… 'if' is doing an awful lot of heavy lifting there...
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 11, 2024 16:23:44 GMT
Well you know that is nonsense - the claim that wind power is cheaper than fossil fuels has been demolished over the past couple of years. Wind power is only sustainable. with massive taxpayer subsidies. It's just our idiots can't run a piss-up in a brewery now. My claim is not what it costs ripped off Brits but what it costs using global figures. All the green energy is foreign-owned. All our money is invested in shitty property which is ten times its real value. How dumb is that. It's not just Britain - look at what Ireland have to pay in subsidies to get people to invest in wind power there. 86.05 euros/MWh plus indexation of the contracts to prevent any losses due to rising costs.
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Post by jonksy on Mar 11, 2024 16:34:15 GMT
There are a great many reasons that gas should be used for electricity generating and even the residue after burning coal is turned very cheaply into tarmacadam... Not sure what use the growing mountain's of wind farm worn out turbine blades are as they cannot be recycled and just end up in landfills. Coal tar is rarely used for metalled roads. Bitumen is the favoured medium.
How many tonnes of worn out turbine blades are found polluting the world?
Around 275 million tonnes of plastic waste is generated worldwide each year. Up to 13 million tonnes of that is dumped into the oceans adding to the hundreds of millions of tonnes already there...
I never stated coal tar Pat I stated that the residue ie the ash and clinker from burning coals is used to create tarmacadum...
Most wind turbine blades end up in landfills. In the U.S. alone, more than 2 million tons of decommissioned blades are projected to be sent to landfills by 2050 according to a recent study; globally, the mass of all the blades expected to be retired by 2050 may be as high as 43 million metric tons.
And as for plastics polluting our oceans where are the doom goblins deciples when you need them?
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Post by Bentley on Mar 11, 2024 16:39:26 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Mar 11, 2024 19:15:38 GMT
Bit off topic, but I don't understand why plastic waste (general) has to be a problem. Why not just store it, people say it takes forever to break down, great throw it down disused coal pits, put it in wire baskets and sink it in the oceans. Why do we have to dismantle it.
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Post by jonksy on Mar 11, 2024 19:22:23 GMT
Bit off topic, but I don't understand why plastic waste (general) has to be a problem. Why not just store it, people say it takes forever to break down, great throw it down disused coal pits, put it in wire baskets and sink it in the oceans. Why do we have to dismantle it. Or stuff it up the arses of the nut zero mob....Fuck me you would require a hole each year as big as some countries to bury plastic waste...Why is not more done about recycling plastic rather than let it pollute our plant?
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Post by jonksy on Mar 11, 2024 19:23:49 GMT
Wait for zanys usual topic swing mate when he has dug himself into a hole..
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 11, 2024 19:27:05 GMT
It's just our idiots can't run a piss-up in a brewery now. My claim is not what it costs ripped off Brits but what it costs using global figures. All the green energy is foreign-owned. All our money is invested in shitty property which is ten times its real value. How dumb is that. It's not just Britain - look at what Ireland have to pay in subsidies to get people to invest in wind power there. 86.05 euros/MWh plus indexation of the contracts to prevent any losses due to rising costs. If you look at a graph of all the different energies and their costs per unit, you see an incredible tumbling down in the costs of both wind and solar. Back in the 70s if you wanted solar panels, they would cost you more than the cost of the house, but now solar power is shit cheap.
The best way to do it is in a desert where you get 3x the energy from solar radiation and the land is free. What we should be doing is developing ultra high voltage power lines so we can get it all the way from the desert to us. China has a huge one which runs from their desert to the densely populated south. They got it from the Germans. The thing is why can't our world leading scientists actually develop these industries themselves because once you have a good system you can sell it around the world and make a killing. We always end up losing and not seeing the opportunities ahead of time like any businessman must learn to do.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 11, 2024 19:30:21 GMT
Bit off topic, but I don't understand why plastic waste (general) has to be a problem. Why not just store it, people say it takes forever to break down, great throw it down disused coal pits, put it in wire baskets and sink it in the oceans. Why do we have to dismantle it. Have you seen these plastic-eating bacteria?
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Post by zanygame on Mar 11, 2024 19:48:36 GMT
Bit off topic, but I don't understand why plastic waste (general) has to be a problem. Why not just store it, people say it takes forever to break down, great throw it down disused coal pits, put it in wire baskets and sink it in the oceans. Why do we have to dismantle it. Or stuff it up the arses of the nut zero mob....Fuck me you would require a hole each year as big as some countries to bury plastic waste...Why is not more done about recycling plastic rather than let it pollute our plant? Yeah far better to throw it in the sea. I would point out the sheer inaccuracies in your scaling but I really can't be bothered. As for recycling, I don't know, they just don't seem to be able to sort it out. Its probably a cost thing like nut zero.
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Post by jonksy on Mar 11, 2024 19:57:38 GMT
Or stuff it up the arses of the nut zero mob....Fuck me you would require a hole each year as big as some countries to bury plastic waste...Why is not more done about recycling plastic rather than let it pollute our plant? Yeah far better to throw it in the sea. I would point out the sheer inaccuracies in your scaling but I really can't be bothered. As for recycling, I don't know, they just don't seem to be able to sort it out. Its probably a cost thing like nut zero. I think the marine life that is killed by plastic in the sea each year wouldn't accept your childish view.
Nothing I have stated is inacurate zany...You soon ty to divert the topic when you have dug your hole too deep.
How does plastic affect marine species? It is estimated that marine plastics are contributing to the death of more than 100,000 marine mammals every year. Plastic can affect marine species in a variety of ways, from entanglement and injury to ingestion and toxic contamination.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 11, 2024 20:25:02 GMT
Yeah far better to throw it in the sea. I would point out the sheer inaccuracies in your scaling but I really can't be bothered. As for recycling, I don't know, they just don't seem to be able to sort it out. Its probably a cost thing like nut zero. I think the marine life that is killed by plastic in the sea each year wouldn't accept your childish view.
Nothing I have stated is inacurate zany...You soon ty to divert the topic when you have dug your hole too deep.
How does plastic affect marine species? It is estimated that marine plastics are contributing to the death of more than 100,000 marine mammals every year. Plastic can affect marine species in a variety of ways, from entanglement and injury to ingestion and toxic contamination.
I think you are incapable of recognising sarcasm. Your inaccuracy is "hole each year as big as some countries to bury plastic waste". Even a hole the size of the smallest country and only a few metres deep would take a thousand years of plastic waste. But as I said, what's the point in talking to you.
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Post by jonksy on Mar 11, 2024 21:48:51 GMT
I think the marine life that is killed by plastic in the sea each year wouldn't accept your childish view.
Nothing I have stated is inacurate zany...You soon ty to divert the topic when you have dug your hole too deep.
How does plastic affect marine species? It is estimated that marine plastics are contributing to the death of more than 100,000 marine mammals every year. Plastic can affect marine species in a variety of ways, from entanglement and injury to ingestion and toxic contamination.
I think you are incapable of recognising sarcasm. Your inaccuracy is "hole each year as big as some countries to bury plastic waste". Even a hole the size of the smallest country and only a few metres deep would take a thousand years of plastic waste. But as I said, what's the point in talking to you. Zany if thats your excuse for sarcasm I suggest you go back to junior school
And you are as per usual talking total bullshit it would take a frigging hole as big as Texas and a hundred feet deep to bury all the plastic waste generated each year..
And what the point of talking to you. You just twist and turn and try and manipulate what has been already stated..
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 11, 2024 22:24:20 GMT
It's not just Britain - look at what Ireland have to pay in subsidies to get people to invest in wind power there. 86.05 euros/MWh plus indexation of the contracts to prevent any losses due to rising costs. If you look at a graph of all the different energies and their costs per unit, you see an incredible tumbling down in the costs of both wind and solar. Back in the 70s if you wanted solar panels, they would cost you more than the cost of the house, but now solar power is shit cheap. But it is still more expensive than fossil fuels.. Sorry you have lost me on that one - in the first sentence you advocate offshoring our energy supply to foreign countries then in the complain about our businesses losing out. As it happens your wish is exactly what is happening - they are building (with massive subsidies) a solar farm in Morocco and a cable linking it to the UK. Personally I think that is fucking lunacy but everyone to their own.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 11, 2024 22:49:51 GMT
If you look at a graph of all the different energies and their costs per unit, you see an incredible tumbling down in the costs of both wind and solar. Back in the 70s if you wanted solar panels, they would cost you more than the cost of the house, but now solar power is shit cheap. But it is still more expensive than fossil fuels.. Sorry you have lost me on that one - in the first sentence you advocate offshoring our energy supply to foreign countries then in the complain about our businesses losing out. As it happens your wish is exactly what is happening - they are building (with massive subsidies) a solar farm in Morocco and a cable linking it to the UK. Personally I think that is fucking lunacy but everyone to their own. China's desert system is 16GW. That's ten modern nuclear reactors, but they don't need any Russian uranium. The beauty of such a site is in being in the middle of nowhere you can just keep on expanding it outwards as much as you like. African labour is dirt cheap as well and they will be happy for some cash. Solar is significantly cheaper than oil, gas, coal or nuclear. You do have a storage problem to contend with but we can reduce that via some shunting of industrial energy usage around.
All these methods come with downsides. Do you know our North Sea oil experts drilled straight through a huge geological deposit of methane. Methane is a far more potent GW gas, but they just left it like it for decades! Also with oil, sealing the wells up after use is creating a lot of problems. There is some nasty stuff that can bubble up to the surface which is highly acidic. We may exchange one set of problems for another. If I were the government I would start thinking about energy storage technology. If you crack that you can make a killing. In some places you can buy energy for virtually free at some times of the day.
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